> Edit: Perhaps a good rule of thumb to distinguish between programming and engineering is this: are you productively working full-time and producing more than 20-50 lines of high-level language code per day? If yes, you are programming. If no, you are engineering.

I like this. As a web developer I am often expected to write closer to an order of magnitude more lines per day than that. But maybe our high level languages aren't high level enough and I'm mostly writing bloat.