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It's not that we're particularly fragile, given the kind of physical trauma human beings can survive and recover from.

It's that we have technologically engineered things that are destructive enough to get even past that threshold. Modern warfare in particular is insanely energetic in the most literal, physical way - when you measure the energy output of weapons in joules. Partly because we're just that good at making things explode, and partly because improvements in metallurgy and electronics made it possible over time to locate targets with extreme precision in real time and then concentrate a lot of firepower directly on them. This, in particular, is why the most intense battlefields in Ukraine often look worse than WW1 and WW2 battles of similar intensity (e.g. Mariupol had more buildings destroyed than Stalingrad).

But even our small arms deliver much more energy to the target than their historical equivalents. Bows and arrows pack ~150 J at close range, rapidly diminishing with distance. Crossbows can increase this to ~400 J. For comparison, an AK-47 firing standard issue military ammo is ~2000 J.



>Crossbows can increase this to ~400 J.

Funny you mention crossbows; the Church at one point in time tried to ban them because they democratized violence to a truly trivial degree. They were the nuclear bombs and assault rifles of medieval times.

Also, I will take this moment to also mention that the "problem" with weapons always seem to be how quickly they can kill rather than the killing itself. Kind of takes away from the discussion once that is realized.


Watch how a group of wild dogs kill their prey, then realise that for milenia human like apes were part of their diet. Even the modern battlefield is more humane than the African savannah.


That reminds me of this[0]. It's a segment of BBC's Planet Earth, where a pack of Cape Hunting Dogs are filmed, hunting.

It's almost military precision.

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRS4XrKRFMA


> Even the modern battlefield is more humane than the African savannah.

On behalf of dead WWI soldiers I find this offensive.


Yeah, I tracked a lost dog and found the place it was caught by wolves and eventually eaten. Terrible way to go. I get now why the owner was so desperate to find it, even without any hope of the dog surviving - I'd want to end it quicker for my dogs too if this happened to them.


Humans can render other humans unrecognizable with a rock.

Brutal murder is low tech.


> Humans can render other humans unrecognizable with a rock.

They are much less likely to.

We have instinctive repulsion to violence, especially extending it (e.g. if the rock does not kill at the first blow).

It is much easier to kill with a gun (and even then people need training to be willing to do it), and easier still to fire a missile at people you cannot even see.


Than throwing a face punch or a rock? You should check public schools.


Than killing with bare hands or a rock, which I believe is still pretty uncommon in schools.


GP didn't talk about killing


Extreme violence then? With rocks, clubs of bare hands? I was responding to "render other humans unrecognizable with a rock" which I am pretty sure is uncommon in schools.


Render unrecognizable? Yeah, I guess that could be survivable, but it's definitely lethal intent.


That's possible with just a well placed punch to the nose or to one of the eyes. I've seen and done that, in public schools.


Uh... sure, maybe during the initial swelling. But that's temporarily rendered unrecognizable.

If you caused enough damage such that someone could not later be recognized, I wonder why you are not in prison.


Not in public schools in the British sense. I assume it varies in public schools in the American sense, and I am guessing violence sufficient to render someone unrecognisable is pretty rare even in the worst of them.


Not at scale.


Armies scale up.

It’s like the original massive scale organization.


Scaling an army of rock swingers is a lot more work than giving one person an AK47 (when all who would oppose them have rocks).

(Thankfully in the US we worship the 2A and its most twisted interpretation. So our toddlers do shooter drills. /s)


You are discounting the complexity of the logistics required for an AK47 army. You need ammo, spare parts, lubricant and cleaning tools. You need a factory to build the weapon, and churn out ammunition.

Or, gather a group of people, tell them to find a rock, and go bash the other sides head.


Complexity of logistics applies to any large army. The single biggest limiting factor for most of history has been the need to either carry your own food, or find it in the field. This is why large-scale military violence requires states.


> You need ammo, spare parts, lubricant and cleaning tools.

The ak-47 famously only needs the first item in that list.

That being the key to its popularity.


It should be noted that the purported advantages of AK action over its competitors in this regard are rather drastically overstated in popular culture. E.g. take a look at these two vids showing how AK vs AR-15 handle lots of mud:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX73uXs3xGU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAneTFiz5WU

As far as cleaning, AK, like many guns of that era, carries its own cleaning & maintenance toolkit inside the gun. Although it is a bit unusual in that regard in that this kit is, in fact, sufficient to remove any part of the gun that is not permanently attached. Which is to say, AK can be serviced in the field, without an armory, to a greater extent than most other options.

But the main reason why it's so popular isn't so much because of any of that, but rather because it's very cheap to produce at scale, and China especially has been producing millions of AKs specifically to dump them in Africa, Middle East etc. But where large quantities of other firearms are available for whatever reason, you see them used just as much - e.g. Taliban has been rocking a lot of M4 and M16 since US left a lot of stocks behind.


Main advantage in the Ukraine conflict for AKs is the ammo availablility.


The only small arms cartridge plant that Ukraine had originally was in Luhansk, so it got captured even before 2022. It's only this year that they've got a new plant operational, but it produces both 5.45 and 5.56.

And Western supplies are mostly 5.56 for obvious reasons, although there are some exceptions - mostly countries that have switched fairly late and still have substantial stocks of 5.45, such as Bulgaria. But those are also limited in quantity.

So in practice it's not quite so simple, and Ukraine seems to be aiming for 5.56 as their primary cartridge long-term, specifically so that it's easier for Western countries to supply them with guns and ammo.


If you think the AKs in use in Russia and Ukraine aren’t getting regular maintenance, cleaning and spare parts, I don’t think you’re watching enough of the content coming out of the war zone.

Soldiering isn’t sexy, it’s digging trenches, cleaning kit, and eating concussive blasts waiting to fight or die.

You don’t sit in a bunker all day waiting to defend a trench and not clean your gun.


It was largely a joke, but even so famously many of the AKs used in various other conflicts were buried in backyards in-between wars.




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