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The team at Cue is extremely talented and prideful of their product, and such teams are happy to crunch now and then in order to make things happen.



How is that an excuse for bad management?


hey moe, let me know when you ship a product rather than spending your entire day trolling on hacker news and tearing down the people who are actually doing something with their lives.

It's not that you criticize or critique other people's work, it's that you're consistently a dick about it.

Nearly all your comments are sarcastic and mean-spirited. IMO you're a liability to the Hacker News community.

One of the great things about hacker news is that we can have an open dialogue with the founders of startups. If you're acting like a jerk, they'll stop being so open.

If people like you keep acting like jerks, you're destroying the spirit of HN and the dialogue this community depends upon.


Hey "Dave5314".

In which thread did I offend you and why can't you just reply there using your real HN-account?

I'm afraid your cry for "open dialogue" doesn't work so well when you plant it in a seemingly random thread using a throw-away account...


1.) What makes you think this isn't my "real" HN account? Long time lurker, new commentor. Unlike the founders you tear down, you're not using your real name or any identifiable email address or title/company you work for, "Moe." Afraid to put your name on your hateful remarks? Your account is just as throwaway as mine, you can easily create another vitriolic spewing alias safe from any repercussions. How about this - in the interest of open dialogue. Put your money where your big snarky mouth is. I'll say my real name if you say yours.

2.) Ahhhhh where did you offend me? Here for one.

This isn't random. I think it's mean spirited and insensitive that the Greplin/Cue founders and team members are here. Writing under their own names, their classmate from their YC batch is here writing under their own names and after what seems to be a brutal push with no sleep and lots of stress, all you do is swoop in with "bad management" snark and then swoop out.

Asides from that....

There is this comment:

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4126285

and this one:

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4126422

and this:

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4106497

and this gem:

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4068214

notice a pattern?

your nastiness and at best insensitivity and at worst malicious disregard of others is only matched by your arrogance and superiority.

and of course your oh so witty response to Leo Kim of Foursquare, when he rightly called you out on making tests to make mongo fail .... I reached the same conclusion he did.

Troll.

Let's disregard for a minute, your obvious gaping technical knowledge and your sheer lack of Silicon Valley business acumen. Let's say you managed you convince PG that you aren't a prick and somehow you get into YC. In your weekly meet ups would you ever say any of the above comments to peoples' faces?

HN is suppose to an extension of YC, a place where hackers can come together, take about things of interests, their own projects, start ups, etc. Your entire comment history is subversive to that and completely against the guidelines:

"Be civil. Don't say things you wouldn't say in a face to face conversation.

When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. E.g. "That is an idiotic thing to say; 1 + 1 is 2, not 3" can be shortened to "1 + 1 is 2, not 3." "

Hacker news would be better off without you, you and people like you are bringing a cynical, negative, schadenfreude cloud over what is suppose to a culture centered around idealism, optimism and wanting to change the world- not insulting those that do.


Lol, I must really have flipped you off.

What makes you think this isn't my "real" HN account?

The fact that it will be abandoned shortly after you realize the feebleness of your little vendetta. Yes, I can predict the future! ;)

would you ever say any of the above comments to peoples' faces?

Yes, actually I do. As you can see I even respond to throw-away accounts, I'm just straight-edge like that.

Other than that I'm sorry to break your heart yet again, but I'll probably continue to stick to the voting system for feedback rather than anonymous rants.


anyone want a dish with ad hominem and a sprinkling of superiority?

You're right, moe probably hasn't shipped anything. I haven't either.

But that doesn't mean that it's okay for you guys to treat engineers like this. Because one of them might just realize how undervalued and mistreated they are, and think about starting their own comapany...


and when they do they'll realize that building a company is fucking tough and sometimes you might have to ask your team to work long hours. None of the Cue engineers that have commented on here have said that they are undervalued or mistreated. It was a team decision - they want impact, they love their product. They wanted to work.

Frankly I'm disappointed that so many folks on hacker news think working long hours on a product is abusive. Newsflash--journalist work long hours to beat deadlines, musicians spend days in the studio recording their music, politicians and their aides spend long hours on the campaign trail, writers write well into the night. If you want to change the world, you going to have to bust your ass doing it.

And p.s. Moe has continually behaved like an ass on this forum, making snide insulting comments to countless people. He's the last person anyone should be white knighting. He's served an entire buffet of "ad hominem" and superiority. It's time he got called out for his dickish ways.


Hey, as long as they have founder shares, im all for whatever your gung-ho routine entails


God forbid people actually work on something because they love it and want impact. In majority of those professions I detailed above, they make much much less than engineers but they still work hard and work long hours. Not everyone is mercenary. Why do you think so many rich people in tech still work? still build? If it's just about shares and profits, then head to finance. though I doubt they'd appreciate the whinging about long hours....


> such teams are happy to crunch now and then

No one should ever be happy about working for free. Being a good team player means sometimes doing it anyways, but the situation that caused it should be rectified first.


Mistakes happen. What employers should do in this kind of crunch time is offer a long weekend at the end of the crunch period. Most don't.


Unless the employees are being paid hourly, they're not working for free. That's how salaries work.


How much is your salary really worth if you're working twice as much as someone making the same amount? What's the value of your free time? How frustrating would that be if you knew it could be avoided?


> No one should ever be happy about working for free

Why does "crunching" have to mean working for free? I didn't see anything about that in the article.


I associate it with working late, am I wrong in this case?


No reason why it has to be unpaid overtime.


Overtime? What planet are you people from?


> No one should ever be happy about working for free.

I don't know if I agree with that statement.


Fair enough, in the context of an employer/employee relationship then.


Yeah, I think "you should never expect someone to be happy about unpaid work" might be closer.


Assuming they hold options or shares, it's not likely to be "for free". (edit: I meant to reply to the parent comment)




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