It's invasive and wrong (from western eyes anyway) for sure. But "we're inspecting viable suspects genitals due to a crime" is not worse than "we're inspecting random peoples genitals", which is the point that was being made.
If an assault took place and witnesses saw a short asian woman, you'd expect the lineup to be of short asian women, not tall black men.
> Pretty Orwellian if you feel this is an acceptable approach to apply to innocent people en masse in response to a crime.
I don't, but there's a nuanced area between "this is fine" and "this is rape".
Is inserting a needle to take blood rape? What about people being seen at a nudist beach? Obviously they consent to "inspection", so I guess it's just sex then?
I suspect you're using an incorrect but emotive word to get your point across - and I definitely sit in the same camp in terms of it being right/wrong - but inaccurate all the same. If you misuse strongly emotive words, their meaning and impact fade.
> Maybe take a lock of hair for a DNA test against the newborn if you’re really that concerned yah?
I don't disagree, but time is a factor in one of the busiest airports in the world with 10+ planes grounded while they wait. In addition, the line for what's ethical, peoples bodily rights etc are different in Qatar - something anyone entering the country has a responsibility to know. You're projecting western values over them and demanding their culture bends to your view.
> I suspect you’re using an incorrect but emotive word to get your point across.
Very well, I’ll leave it to you to come up with a more semantically accurate way to describe the essence of, “we’re going to poke around in your genitals under threat of violence”.
> I don’t disagree, but time is a factor in one of the busiest airports in the world with 10+ planes grounded while they wait.
And what exactly prevented the planes from leaving? It would’ve been quite straightforward to give these people an option. Something like, “if you’re comfortable with a physical inspection, you may leave immediately afterwards on your regular flight. If not, we need you to miss this flight while we run the DNA tests and will accommodate your replacement flight and interim stay”. And yes, all costs for such a delay should be covered for the innocent people subjected to it. Don’t tell me Qatar can’t afford it. Being short on time is a poor justification for the decision which was made.
> Is inserting a needle to take blood rape? What about people being seen at a nudist beach?
You’ve gone some way to answer your own questions here, with the key point being consent. People at a nude beach have indeed consented to being seen nude, so it’s all good. If you walk up and try to start putting things in their genitals against their will under threat of violence, it’s still rape.
> In addition, the line for what's ethical, peoples bodily rights etc are different in Qatar - something anyone entering the country has a responsibility to know.
Oh yep, every travel ad helps clarify. “Discover the enchanting beauty of Qatar, where tradition meets modernity. From the dazzling skyline of Doha to the serene sand dunes of the desert, Qatar invites you to a world of unparalleled experiences.
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They’re always so clear about it. I don’t know how anyone could miss it. The commonly understood expectations for stricter modesty in behavior and apparel are very different than what we’re talking about in this thread.
> You're projecting western values over them and demanding their culture bends to your view.
I have demanded nothing. I have criticized what I view as Qatar’s ridiculous solution to the problem with which they were presented, and others are free to criticize the opinions I hold in turn.
