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Not sure what you're putting in your dishwasher, but FWIW I have a 30 minutes / 60°C cycle on my dishwasher (off-brand) that I use when I forgot to run it at night. Dishes come out clean as new.

The eco cycle I use at night is 50°C and longer (not sure how long, that's why I run it at night) and everything always come out clean as well.



Whenever anyone complains about how appliances are getting worse and worse in the name of eco friendliness there’s always someone that pops out of the woodwork to say that actually they are great.

If this was true we wouldn’t need bans in the first place. CRTs weren’t banned and where are they now.


Do you want me to say my dishes are dirty since they banned phosphate? It's not the case.

Honestly the fact phosphates are banned even in the US shows the impact they have, given the crap this country doesn't ban, including in food products.

Maybe if CRTs had had a major impact on local water quality they would have been banned too (and I sure hope so)


Sure. Acknowledge that the new dishwashers (washing machines / stoves / toilets / grocery bags / etc.) suck but we need to save the planet. Then show me the evidence they we are actually saving the planet and not just peacocking. I’ll be there with you.

Don’t try to tell that we live in a perfect world where there are no tradeoffs and those that I’m seeing are just in my head.


they work just fine. Less energy, water and chemical consumption is always a welcome effect.




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