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I don't. Weather prediction is a physical process with (I assume) fairly well known laws. That's the wheelhouse of traditional algorithms, not deep learning.


But the "known laws" are too convolved with chaotic behavior, which is why making predictions from them is really hard.

There's an analogy to the 90s dream of replacing fluid dynamics with its differential equations with cellular automata. The claim made about the former is that the "variables in the equations represent real things in the world", but in the end it is all just a story. If the cellular automata/neural modelling can tell a better story ....


> But the "known laws" are too convolved with chaotic behavior, which is why making predictions from them is really hard.

This canard always gets thrown out but the application here is flawed in two very big ways. First, "chaotic behavior" does not mean "unpredictable behavior." Modern numerical weather forecasting already deals with this through ensemble modeling techniques and other approaches designed to capture the statistics of the evolution of the weather, not just a single deterministic state. Anyone selling you a deterministic weather forecast from a single model is robbing you.

Second, DL will suffer the same challenges here because many AI-based weather forecasting tools are auto-regressive, where a model output is used to seed the next step of the forecast. So the AI approach doesn't actually escape this hypothetical limitation (in fact it might compound it badly).


Good points, of which I was aware (mostly). I was trying to dispel the "just because you know the laws of physics you can make predictions based on them (alone)" tone of the GP. But thanks for doing a better job at that than I did.


> in the end it is all just a story. If the cellular automata/neural modelling can tell a better story ....

Uhm no, it is all fluid dynamics. You are correct that weather is highly sensitive to initial conditions, but you are incorrect to conclude that that means DNNs are somehow better at dealing with that.

The only help they might be is in correcting systematic modelling and measurement errors, or speeding up computation (by guessing).


> it is all fluid dynamics

"The universe is made of stories, not atoms"

FD is just one of the stories we have to tell that allows us to predict and therefore engineer certain aspects of the universe in which we find ourselves. But it's no more than a story, no matter how fit it may be for the purpose.

Also, the claim would not be that DNNs are better at handling initial conditions, but rather than they are better at spotting patterns (ok, ok, call them correlations) than either ourselves or the systems we've built based on pre-conceived physical models.




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