HN2new | past | comments | ask | show | jobs | submitlogin

>Siri will flop,

Claim chowder.

> the speed is a non-issue for the majority of iPhone owners

Emm, the speed enables better apps, especially better games. It's always good to have. Smartphones have a long way to go yet.

> and the camera just about brings the phone up to spec with it's competitor cameras. If they went for a an iPhone 5 and iPad3 they would have made an absolute killing this christmas.

All the specs people wanted from an iPhone 5 are present, except a new chassis some pundits idiotically predicted. So what exactly do you miss, an increased NUMBER???

Oh, and they already started making an absolute killing.



Most people use their phone as...surprise surprise, a phone. Speed is irrelevant to the majority of users I know (non-tech), it's something Steve would not have done, it's an engineers mindset and I suggest it's the future of Apple under Tim. Apple isn't succesful because it has the fastest chips, but that's all it has to offer now?

Further, I'd challenge you to name one non-game app that would be massively improved by a faster chipset over what is currently available on iPhone 4 devices. Just ONE. That should tell you how unneeded a chip upgrade really is.


Except when Steve did it with, drumroll, the iPhone 3GS.

Which was phenomenally successful.

What all the hysterics are missing here is that this is entirely with precedent.

When 3GS was introduced, it was pointed out that the S stands for speed.


> Most people use their phone as...surprise surprise, a phone.

Yeah. Back in the day. Or in rural Nebraska.

Nowadays, smartphones are used for tons of things besides calling. I'd even go as far as to say that actual call time is far less than other-use time. Else we wouldn't have TONS of web traffic originating from mobile phones and 300,000 apps in the App Store.

> Speed is irrelevant to the majority of users I know

Are those the same "most users" that use their smartphone "as a phone"?

For those people even a smartphone is irrelevant. They can get by with some dumb device.

Now, speed is irrelevant as a goal in itself. But a faster CPU enables more powerful apps. Without that irrelevant "speed", we wouldn't have the ability to handle 8 megapixel images properly, or edit movies in iMovie mobile to name a few examples. And for 3D games, more speed is better.

> Further, I'd challenge you to name one non-game app that would be massively improved by a faster chipset over what is currently available on iPhone 4 devices. Just ONE.

Just one?

1) Any music app (like Fruity Loops, Beatmaker, Massive, etc) would be able to either play more samples / synthesize more voices = improved polyphony, or synthesize better voices = better sound quality.

2) Any video encoding/editing app, such as iMovie mobile will be massively improved in what it can do.

3) Any drawing app, like Brushes. Most use complicated code to render realistic brush responses and lag when live-painting.

4) Any app written with an "interpreted" layer, from Adobe's flash transcompiled apps to Mono Touch will feel more native. Also, MacRuby will be eligible for iOS apps soon, as the GC problem is solved, and it will greatly benefit from a faster CPU.

Oh, and a faster CPU also does stuff in less time, so if the power requirements per instruction are the same as the previous CPU (which often happens with next generation CPUs), a faster CPU means better battery life.

Basically what you're saying is: "640K should be enough for everybody".


> MacRuby will be eligible for iOS apps soon, as the GC problem is solved

If I didn't miss any recent developments, that was a misunderstanding from when ARC was leaked as iOS5 having "GC", then it turned out that it was actually compiler-supported reference counting. Which means that MacRuby is still stuck on iOS and doomed on OS X, with some people expecting the GC to be deprecated sooner or later.

With the current App Store rules, I don't see why Matz' C Ruby with 'dl' disabled wouldn't be eligible.


uhm.... I'm in rural ND and most people under 30 don't use their phone to talk. Text and Facebook seem to be the main phone uses. It is my understanding that due to the cost of voice, most people in Africa use SMS and not voice.


Re: MacRuby/iOS, you're right, GC problem not solved with ARC after all.




Guidelines | FAQ | Lists | API | Security | Legal | Apply to YC | Contact

Search: