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Why Safari? The only sane choice is Firefox.


> Why Safari? The only sane choice is Firefox.

I use Safari because of keychain and continuity. For example my Mac Mini can autofill 2FA tokens sent to my phone.

I use Firefox for web development and for sites I don’t trust and don’t want tracking me.

I only use Chrome for Gmail and YouTube.


I use Firefox mobile because it provides the best YouTube experience.

Adblocking, background playback.


Is there any other reason then in case of using a mac OS?


Or Brave. Safari gives me too many issues. Brave has all the compatibility you'd expect from chromium.


Brave is just a shitcoin mining, referral link hijacking reskin of Chrome.


By default it doesnt, and although I'd certainly advise going over all Brave's settings once, then you have the safest (as in not outdated like some other privacy forks) and privacy respecting Chrome based browser around.


Stop drinking the kool aid, buh.

If you have to go over the settings... A safe, privacy respecting browser wouldn't resort to any shady tactics in the first place.


brave's default settings are almost certainly exactly what a privacy-oriented person would choose. it does not mine crypto, and it only pays you in crypto to view notification ads if you opt-in. i even gave the ads a shot but decided it wasn't worth the $2 a month or whatever, so now i just have a maintained, de-googled chrome, which is basically a description of the optimal browser in 2021. does firefox ask you if you want to install pocket yet?


I'm not drinking any koolaid, I just have not found anything better, apart from Firefox.


They also run the only decent, independent search engine that has _its own_, _uncensored_ index. DDG was perceptibly worse than Google, but Brave Search is about on par, and the latency seems to be better as well. I maybe have to go to Google once or twice a month now instead of several times a day DDG would require. I know a bit about Google search, and frankly I'm stunned by what Brave was able to pull off here.

I'm actually not against Firefox either, but they refuse to implement a profile switcher, and I need one to be able to fully and unambiguously isolate my work and personal accounts. What's particularly grating is that they already have profile support. Just not the UX to switch the profiles without pain.


Don't understand the downvotes, but brave search is a pretty decent product so far. Competition is always good, especially in the area of search.


I've just tried brave search and it does seem to be a good product actually - my only concern with all these providers is what is the monetisation strategy will be (Brave has called out ads, but it's not in their product at the moment). Looking at Brave's monetisation strategy for their browser it seems pretty shady (effectively steal the revenue from site owners for referral links and replace the websites ads with their own ads). They haven't tried monetising search yet so - Brave if you are reading this - please please please choose a different monetisation strategy and use the opportunity to be different to Google!

I would love a company like DuckDuckGo or Brave to offer a paid tier where I can just subscribe to an ad-free search engine (I would love Google to offer a 'Google Premium' with this, but let's be real that's not happening!).

i.e. If you are competing with Google by releasing a free search engine with Ads, you have to provide better search results with Ads mixed in than Google which will be tough. If you found a monetisation strategy that didn't involve Ads, theoretically it should be easier to offer a better quality search result and better quality product than Google (because you are actually focussing on delivering the best quality results rather than the right mix of good-results and Ads to optimise revenue).


Why do you post false stuff like "replace the website ads with their own ads"? We never did that and would not unless website were partnered and getting 70% of the gross.

The affiliate link autocomplete for finance.{us, com} was a bug and fixed immediately.

Browsers other than Brave have a hard time surviving without being captured by a search or other big-tech power. We're the only user-first, private browser with opt-in revenue sharing.


I might be confused, but was the below article just false? If so you should probably ask them to put a correction on it.

https://www.computerworld.com/article/3284076/brave-browser-...

https://www.computerworld.com/article/3292619/the-brave-brow...

These seem pretty cut-and-dry, but if they are false they should definitely retract.

> We're the only user-first, private browser with opt-in revenue sharing.

I personally don't want revenue sharing - I just want the first browser that is user-first and private. The issue with me being advertised to isnt that I want a cut of the revenue, it's that I don't want to be advertised to. That's the whole point of my post - if you need revenue just charge me for it. Why can't we just have a search company that will just let me pay them money in a straightforward 1950's-style transaction.

All I'm saying is - Please don't try to beat Google Search at being Google Search with the same ads-in-search model - you have such a great opportunity, and clearly the experience, to do something different! I personally hope you choose a different path that allows you to have a better ad-free product. Maybe you will succeed going down the ad-route, but I personally want a different option to having my results stuffed with ads, rather than just a new (either better or worse) Google.

As soon as you do a paid version of search I'll be a subscriber, as long as there is a guarantee that it is privacy-preserving, will never have ads, is a sensible price and isn't linked to some weird crypto stuff.


Binance (spellcorrekt turned it into “finance”).


So would I. I'd gladly and voluntarily pay, say, $10/mo for a family subscription, paid with crypto. I'm not sure why they aren't offering that.


Yeah, I don't see what the downside is either.

For companies - It doesn't sound too hard to implement and seems like it would be a good source of revenue. Plus paying subscribers will be more 'loyal' in terms of moving their searches across.

For users - you get more of a guarantee that the companies statements about privacy and impartiality are true, because there is less incentive for them to break that.


Especially considering that crypto is already built into their browser.


The founder of Brave was canceled by the left for his religious opposition to calling gay unions "marriage". FWIW, I voted to call it that in my state, but I have no problem with someone holding a different opinion. That's sorta how democracy works. People get to have different opinions and then duke it out by voting. The authoritarian left can't have that, you must prostrate yourself before the one true dogma completely.


> The founder of Brave was canceled by the left for his religious opposition to calling gay unions “marriage”.

Insofar as he was opposed by “the Left”, it was for his political actions in opposition to equal rights. The religious basis of that action was probably important to Eich, but it was immaterial to the opposition.

> FWIW, I voted to call it that in my state, but I have no problem with someone holding a different opinion.

Good for you.

> That’s sorta how democracy works.

In a liberal (in the classical, Enlightment-derived sense, not either of the narrower senses it is used for factional positions within the US political system) democracy, you are absolutely permitted to have a problem with, and (peacably) take action based on such a problem, with unwelcome political actions, including actual or threatened refusal to participate in economic exchanges with the perpetrator.


This kind of thinking can go quite far if taken to its logical conclusion. The question therefore is, do _you_ want to live in a world where everyone is fighting everyone else over the most irrelevant of actions or even wrongthink? I know I don't.

I much prefer to be persuaded to vote for or against something than have to state my opinions under the barrel of a proverbial gun. After a free and fair election, I accept the results and move on, even if things do not go my way. Seems more civilized and less painful than all known alternatives.


> This kind of thinking can go quite far if taken to its logical conclusion

The logical conclusion of it being permitted is...that it will be done when the utility of the impact it is perceived as likely to have outweighs the perceived disutility of the protest action, including any beneficial exchange foregone. Which is, all in all, not very much, which matches pretty well with observed behavior.

> After a free and fair election, I accept the results and move on, even if things do not go my way

Well, when there is a free and fair election to strip you of fundamental liberties, and you lose, try to keep that attitude in mind.


Bet it looks like that if your "protest action" is confined to Twitter and TikTok. From where I sit, your "protest action" over the past year achieved NEGATIVE results. Murders and crime are UP. Segregation is UP. Racial strife is UP. I fail to see the "impact" other than several billions in damage, rising crime, and a senile octogenarian in the White House, who is the direct cause of incarceration of hundreds of thousands of African Americans due to his own misguided "legislation" from the 80s. Wonderful, wonderful "impact".


Any mention of Eich gets downvoted to hell, it's part of the "cancelling".

Parent is 100% correct.


> I'm actually not against Firefox either, but they refuse to implement a profile switcher

https://davemartorana.com/multifirefox/


Alternatively, Profile Switcher for Firefox provides a Chrome-like interface:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/profile-switc...


I couldn't tell from the link, but does it let me run two profiles side by side?

This is the only thing that makes FF awkward for me when not using a Mac.


Yes. With the extension, you can launch any other profile and a new window under that profile will be opened. There is no limit to the number of profiles that can be simultaneously active. The extension menu also lets you add, remove, and edit profiles.


Thank you, I'm going to add this.


You can bookmark about:profiles and click "Launch profile in new browser" under each profile to open it in a new Firefox window.

If you are using GNOME desktop you can also try this to integrate the profiles into the launcher. I wrote it when still using Ubuntu but I'm on Fedora now and it's the exact same steps: https://www.tombrossman.com/blog/2020/launch-firefox-profile...


this would fall under the "awkward" way of changing profiles.



Does not isolate logins/passwords. A requirement for what I need it to do.


Multi-firefox is great, but is unfortunately Mac only.


These days Google just takes you to the site with the most ads. The quality of the search results has nosedived in the last ten years.


Not just "today". In late 00s folks at Microsoft Bing noticed that every time they'd release relevance improvements, Google within a couple of days would boost its search relevance just enough to stay a pace ahead. The running theory at MS was that they had a lot of gas in the tank relevance-wise, but artificially hobbled it, so that it's just above Bing's. Why? Because fewer people will click on the ads if the results are _too_ relevant. They'll click on the links instead.


If Brave is keeping Chromium updated, then it is possible that this will effect them also.


I dont know much about Brave but thinking of moving to Brave on Mobile for ad blocking. Is Brave trustworthy for saving my Google credentials and credit card in the Browser?


Also check out Bromite, which is chrome with ad blocking for android.


imo the adblocker isn't as good as ublock, which you can install anyway, so there's no major advantage there. the good part about brave is that you get the benefits of an up-to-date chromium browser without google recording your activity. you can take or leave the rest of the stuff, but there are a couple of neat extras like tor support for incognito and auto-detecting 404s and linking to archive.org.


Vivaldi? I certainty trust the people behind that one.


Same engine, they can cripple it easily.


Sure, but a lot of features in Vivaldi run separately from Chromium (like sideloading extensions). I don't see how they would be accepting this change into their fork.


In those network analysis comparisons they didn't score well. And, they're sorta half open source, which is a bit weird. I can't say the facts bear their credentials out.




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