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Scale matters. 160 million votes were cast in the U.S. in each of the past 2 elections.

36 million votes were cast in France in the last election.

The U.S. is capable of counting 36 million votes by hand overnight as well, and most votes were once counted by hand in the U.S.

What constitutes what's "out of threshold"? If a voting machine, either by design or flaw, pushes a close vote outside the threshold - then that's a way to bypass the checks & balances and can be exploited by the unethical.

That paragraph is disingenuous. A vote that is outside the threshold for an automatic recount is not a close vote; the margin between candidates is thousands of votes (or more).

If a voting machine has a design flaw or other flaw, that would have been discovered during one of the several inspections and trial runs it was put through before being certified for use. Moreover, many states now require paper receipts of all ballots cast (as a result of Russian hacking of election machines in 2016), so if there is any suspicion of manipulated results, the human-legible ballot receipts can be tallied. States with these types of printed ballot receipts will audit the electronic tallies against hand-counts of the printed ballots on a random precinct-level basis.



> Scale matters. 160 million votes were cast in the U.S. in each of the past 2 elections.

> 36 million votes were cast in France in the last election.

> The U.S. is capable of counting 36 million votes by hand overnight as well, and most votes were once counted by hand in the U.S.

I don't understand this argument. In France, a population of roughly 67 million people can count 36 million ballots by hand overnight. That's 1.86 people per ballot.

In the US 328 million people cast 160 million ballots. That's 2.05 people per ballot.

Since counting is done at each individual polling place, what's actually keeping the US from doing the same as France? It's not like they're shipping around all of the ballots to one place, and they're limited by geometry and ballot distribution to volunteer counters. Create a polling place per 10,000 people, and within X miles of everyone. Smaller polling places would finish faster, but the big polling places don't really have to scale past what European countries already count successfully every election.


Again, scale.

Voting in France is like a rain spread out over the country, because the population is more spread out across geographic centers. It's easier to handle votes.

Voting in the U.S. is like a series of scattered torrential downpours, because more than 70% of the population lives in a metropolitan area. It's not simply a matter of the number of bodies, at the scale the U.S. metro areas deal with you have significant concerns about the physical logistics related to moving that many ballots that much smaller, less dense countries do not have.


You scale by district. You just get more people involved in the counting per ballot location.

It's a scalable method. Yes, the reconfirmation at the regional levels are important.

Your faith in machines is questionable. I leave you with this obligatory xkcd - it's still completely valid: https://xkcd.com/2030/


In my state, the machines print out paper ballots in legible English saying exactly who I voted for.

I don't trust the machines, but I do trust the people doing the counting, especially since the counting process is observed by both sides.




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