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The president's full speech before the protest is here: https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-tr...

Can you point to a place where he specifically encouraged trespassing or violence in a way that is more egregious than the ways in which various Congresspeople encouraged violence in Kenosha or Minneapolis?



Disclaimer : I am not American, and could care less for your politics.

> Can you point to a place where he specifically encouraged trespassing or violence in a way that is more egregious than the ways in which various Congresspeople encouraged violence in Kenosha or Minneapolis?

This seems like a weird statement to me. Does it matter what other Congresspeople said or not said? I had a quick read of the speech you linked. Its clear that the whole speech is priming the crowd that their vote has been stolen, and that they need to go their and fight for their votes.

> Now, it is up to Congress to confront this egregious assault on our democracy. And after this, we’re going to walk down, and I’ll be there with you, we’re going to walk down, we’re going to walk down.

> Anyone you want, but I think right here, we’re going to walk down to the Capitol, and we’re going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women, and we’re probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them.

> Because you’ll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength and you have to be strong. We have come to demand that Congress do the right thing and only count the electors who have been lawfully slated, lawfully slated.

> I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.

This bit right here is clearly indicating that the people need to walk to the Capitol, to "confront" the egregious assault, to show strength, to "not going to be cheering so much for some of them". Granted yes, he also does state that they will be marching over "peacefully" and "patriotically" but spending paragraphs telling an audience that their votes are stolen, and they must fight those who stole their vote and then throwing in a few words about peacefully doesn't absolve you when that mob does basically what you said.

Near the end :

> And we fight. We fight like hell. And if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.

> So we’re going to, we’re going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue. I love Pennsylvania Avenue. And we’re going to the Capitol, and we’re going to try and give.

Again, clearly indicating that they need to go to the Capitol, to "fight like hell" and ensure that Republicans vote in a certain way. I think anyone reading between the lines can clearly see how a group of people who believe this man quite a bit would get an indication that they need to walk to and into the Capitol.


> Disclaimer : I am not American, and could care less for your politics.

Why don't then tell us which nationality you are from?


Possibly a typo. I am guessing you mean "Why not then tell us". Australian :) However, again, not sure why that matters.

I thought the disclaimer would help to ensure that I don't accused of being a dem or rep or whatever else.


So if you don't care about American Politics why are you here lecturing us?


Hm. I don't think I was lecturing anyone. I saw a statement that wasn't logically sound based on my thinking i.e. that what Congresspeople said matters in this discussion.

and then I read the speech, and quoted exactly what was "inciting" or could be considered such.

I am sorry if I offended you.


I do not believe anyone has claimed that a single speech inspired insurrection. I do believe lots of people believe that messages over time led citizens to believe their gun rights, free speech rights and voting rights were threatened, and that they would need to fight to keep them.

https://www.justsecurity.org/74138/incitement-timeline-year-...

https://www.brandeis.edu/now/2021/january/trump-language-cap...

That being said, the speech itself certainly didn't help.

> they rigged an election.

> They rigged it like they’ve never rigged an election before.

> All of us here today do not want to see our election victory stolen by emboldened radical left Democrats

> You don’t concede when there’s theft involved.

> We will not take it any more

> We will not let them silence your voices.

> Although with this administration, if this happens, it could happen. You’ll see some really bad things happen. They’ll knock out Lincoln too, by the way.

> we’re going to have somebody in there that should not be in there and our country will be destroyed

> some of these guys. They’re out there fighting the House. Guys are fighting, but it’s incredible

> Democrats attempted the most brazen and outrageous election theft. There’s never been anything like this.

> We’re probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them because you’ll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength, and you have to be strong.

> We have come to demand that Congress do the right thing

> Our country has been under siege for a long time

> You will have an illegitimate president, that’s what you’ll have. And we can’t let that happen.

Probably a waste of my effort, but it's quite disingenuous to claim that not saying the word "trespass" in this speech after years of messaging that the Democrats are the enemy of Trump and Trump's followers proves it wasn't yet another piece of incitement. He absolutely encouraged "fighting." So either you believe he's a complete imbecile who does not understand what happens if you get a bunch of armed citizens to believe their favorite rights will be lost if they allow a fraudulent election of a Democratic President to come to fruition, or you understand that he was intentional with his language over time.


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