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> does a person that has brain cancer really voluntarily pay a neurosurgeon for treatment?

Yes

> does a person that gets paid a wage for menial labor that funnels into a value chain that some executive sells for much more than the wage really work voluntarily?

Yes-ish... one can't really not participate in society in this day and age. One can't just go homestead anymore and subsistence farm. So I understand the argument.

> does someone that's manipulated by social media that buys worthless overpriced brand name items really pay voluntarily?

Yes... get TF off social media.

> does someone that gets arrested on trumped up charges and values their freedom really pay a lawyer voluntarily?

Yes

> do people that live in blighted, neglected neighborhoods really move to higher cost of living neighborhoods voluntarily?

Yes. It's entirely possible to live in a shit area and life a "good life," though there are mental costs associated.

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It's not black and white as you paint it.



i think you and i have a very different understandings of the word "voluntary"


One that ignores the entirety of human psychology, probability, and what we understand about motivation, reward, and healthy socialization.

Technically you could successfully perform your own neurosurgery at home with a spoon and a dull butter knife...


> Technically you could successfully perform your own neurosurgery at home with a spoon and a dull butter knife...

I was not implying that in the least, that's what you chose to read into it.

> One that ignores the entirety of human psychology, probability, and what we understand about motivation, reward, and healthy socialization.

Like anyone involved in software, you're surely an expert in all of these topics and thus qualified to make this claim without backing it up.

One can voluntary, that is choose, to opt-out of any number of those situations. Some may be more important or costly than others.


> Like anyone involved in software, you're surely an expert in all of these topics and thus qualified to make this claim without backing it up.

PhD in neuroscience, undergrad research on reward and behavior. So, yes, yes I am qualified. You are 100% wrong on all fronts.


You have free will. You can opt-out of "the system" but it will be painful given your desires and lifestyle. So, yes, these things are wholly voluntary.

If you want to live a modern, "easy" lifestyle then some of these things start to look rather coercive.




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