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Bat chat: machine learning algorithms provide translations for bat squeaks (theguardian.com)
61 points by never-the-bride on Dec 28, 2016 | hide | past | favorite | 24 comments



I wonder if it would be possible to do something similar with dogs, or are their vocabularies too varied and influenced by environment?



Also, this from early 2000s:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BowLingual


can we get one of these for babies please? or does unky herb still have the patent on that?


Is anyone trying this with dolphins?


I heard that an officer by the name of Captain Nathan Bridger, of the The United Earth Oceans Organization, is conducting an animal protocol on board his vessel.


Reminded me of a line from the HMMER manual:

"HMMER3 has already been used to model mouse song [Elena Rivas, personal communication]"

-- http://eddylab.org/software/hmmer3/3.1b2/Userguide.pdf (page 10)


Unleashing auto learning AI on lost languages (Egyptian hieroglyphics, Indus valley civilization glyphs, etc ) should yield breakthroughs. Or so I think


1) You have to train the machine with the known solutions. From the article:

"The team spent 75 days continuously recording both audio and video footage of 22 bats that were split into two groups and housed in separate cages. By studying the video footage, the researchers were able to unpick which bats were arguing each other, the outcome of each row, and sort the squabbles into four different bones of contention: sleep, food, perching position and unwanted mating attempts.

The team then trained the machine learning algorithm with around 15,000 bat calls from seven adult females, each categorised using information gleaned from the video footage, before testing the system’s accuracy."

2) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decipherment_of_Egyptian_hiero...

"The decipherment of Egyptian hieroglyphs was gradually achieved during the early 19th century."


Unwanted mating attempts haha

Ayyeee


I was expecting the AI to reveal for the first time what the bats were saying, instead we learn that AI significantly under-performed what humans already understood about bat communications. Why is this even relevant? Also understanding 61% of the times what the animals were talking about is pretty close to a coin toss. Not impressed -!?

"The results revealed that, based only on the frequencies within the bats’ calls, the algorithm correctly identified the bat making the call around 71% of the time, and what the animals were squabbling about around 61% of the time."


I'm not sure that the AI significantly under-performed humans. It looks to me like the labels that the accuracy number came from were labeled by watching video of the bats. The 61% understanding number was off of 7 possible topics and averaged over each topic so it's definitely better than guessing. I suspect there's a fair amount of ambiguity and mislabeling in these "topics" from humans trying to interpret bat motivations so 100% accuracy probably isn't really feasible.

I have no idea what the state of the art is in bat understanding but the results seems really impressive to me - maybe I'm easily impressed? :)


Given that there are four categories of dispute [0] 61% is significantly better than the uniform prior.

[0] "By studying the video footage, the researchers were able to unpick which bats were arguing each other, the outcome of each row, and sort the squabbles into four different bones of contention: sleep, food, perching position and unwanted mating attempts."


I agree the performance isn't too impressive, but it could still be an improvement over trained humans. For example, from the article there's "We have shown that a big bulk of bat vocalisations that previously were thought to all mean the same thing, something like ‘get out of here!’ actually contain a lot of information."


It depends. How long did it take the AI to come to the same conclusion we have? Speed of learning is very important.


Next: teenagers


Ultimate goal: Decipher what women really mean when they speak.


Thought of the day: what does the fact that this is being downvoted but the parent is not say about our culture?


That we're not mysogynistic? Yay!


Probably nothing. It was just a joke - the achievement is clearly brilliant and needs little endorsement from me :)


Usually it helps to listen



s/women/coding interviewers/




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