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and according to someone I heard on a podcast, many of the engineering leadership heard the open sourcing comment for the first time while Steve was up on stage as well.


Probably both are true.


Mind linking the podcast? Generally curious.


Not sure which particular episode (you might be able to find it by looking through old shownotes) but this was mentioned on Accidental Tech Podcast, I think by John Siracusa (of really long MacOS review fame)




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