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Amazing that the minimal version works in Dillo, except for the categories menu which uses JS (using a form and submit button inside a noscript tag would work as a fallback).

Thanks a lot for considering no-JS browser like Dillo, in the current web hellscape is certainly a difficult task. I checked and it works well in Dillo on my end.


> The post does not mention CI anywhere else, are they doing anything with it, keeping it on GitHub, or getting rid of it?

Yes, we have our own CI service. It is not public for now.


Yep, thats what I meant :)


Yes, we did some experiments with pledge and landlock, but we need to redesign some parts to be able to properly isolate them into separate processes first.

In the short term you can disable CSS or images from the menu. You can also disable specific image decoders from the configuration with the "ignore_image_formats" option.


In 2007 it was moved to Mercurial which I then exported to git when the hg server went down. The history from 2002-2007 was lost (I believe SVN), if someone still has a copy please send it to us. See the missing section:

https://dillo-browser.org/release/3.1.0/commits-author.png

The initial release was around the 15th of December, 1999. It's going to be 26 years ago: https://dillo-browser.org/25-years/index.html


I used Dillo in 2001-2002 with the PlayStation 2 Linux kit. With 32MB of RAM for Linux, and 4MB for the graphics. It worked really well despite the CPU was 294MHz (MIPS R-5900, two-way in-order CPU, with SIMD unit, and only one hardware thread, having two auxiliary vector units as companions).


Huh, somehow I had the idea that Raph Levien wrote it. The PNG here says corvid, Jeremy Henty, Johannes Hofmann, Jorge Arellano Cid, Rodrigo Arias Mallo (which is presumably you), Sebastian Geerken, and "other".

It's good to see that it's active again!


Raph Levien wrote the original Gzilla browser of which Dillo was forked in late 1999: http://www.levien.com/gzilla/


Oh, that's probably what I was thinking of. Thanks!


Jorge originally said "Dill-O" in a video, but I almost always say "Diyo" because I'm Spanish and the word comes from the Spanish word "armadillo": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armadillo


Oldest I could find was an Ipaq 3700: https://dillo-browser.github.io/gallery/


AFAIK Georg Potthast wrote a port that worked in DOS based on the work that Benjamin Johnson for Windows. I believe it was based on 3.0p4:

https://www.bttr-software.de/forum/board_entry.php?id=10797

Unfortunately, none of those ports made their way back to the main project. However, if there is enough interest I would be willing to merge them. I'm not very familiar with DOS/FreeDOS, so probably someone would have to help us to update the changes, but probably doable between 3.0 and 3.2.0.


Really happy to see a new version. I wrote about 3.1, 18 months ago:

https://www.theregister.com/2024/05/07/dillo_browser_v3_1/

I don't know if you saw that, but I asked a question in there I am still curious about. In the long time period that Dillo was largely idle, there were various forks.

I know of 2 that seem to be dead now...

DilloNG

https://github.com/w00fpack/dilloNG

D+

https://sourceforge.net/projects/dplus-browser/

But two others seem to be active...

Dillo-Plus

https://github.com/crossbowerbt/dillo-plus

<- active as recently as September 2024, i.e. since my article.

Mobilized Dillo:

https://www.toomanyatoms.com/software/mobilized_dillo.html

<- active last month -- and the page links to an article of mine. Nice. :-)

I wondered if you were in communication with any of those developers, and if you have managed to bring in any of their code or improvements?

FLTK is now up to 1.4.4, released in July.

https://github.com/fltk/fltk/releases/tag/release-1.4.4

Are you using the latest FLTK?

Just curious, not challenging or anything.


> I wrote about 3.1, 18 months ago

Thanks for the article and for including all the references.

We now adhere to https://semver.org/ as much as we can, where each of the three version numbers has a meaning, so it would be nice to include them all. I'll mention it in the next release (and probably add it to the changelog as well).

> I wondered if you were in communication with any of those developers, and if you have managed to bring in any of their code or improvements?

I'm in contact with the Mobilized Dillo developer and we exchange some patches from time to time.

> Are you using the latest FLTK?

The change from FLTK 1.3.X to 1.4.X breaks many things in Dillo. One of my priorities is to get it fixed ASAP but it will take a while. I'll probably ship experimental support for FLTK 1.4.X under a configure flag in the next 3.3.0 release so I don't delay it for too long.


Excellent -- thanks for replying!


Yeah, I tried to reach out to Google back when they introduced the JS-wall, but they seem to have an AI chatbot acting as a filter, so I didn't spent much energy.

Later they also blocked other non-JS browsers like links or w3m, so I assume they no longer care. They used to maintain several frontends that worked in really old devices.

I don't think there is any User-Agent that works today, however you can still use the Google index via other search indexes that can fetch Google results without JS (for example Startpage still works). However, it is probably a good idea to have more options available that have their own independent index engine (for example Mojeek). Seirdy has a very good list: https://seirdy.one/posts/2021/03/10/search-engines-with-own-...


Thanks for Seirdy’s list. It is well maintained https://git.sr.ht/~seirdy/seirdy.one/log/master/item/content...


Startpage is a good recommendation! I am able to search the web using my browser with startpage. I had tried duckduckgo but have been unable to get past the captcha.


Thanks for the Startpage rec! I've used them in the past but hadn't tried them as a way around Google's JS-wall.


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