I worked at Facebook for 5 years and agree. Though the culture was a big driver too. It’s not like switching to Workplace will magically transform company culture.
Yeah, me three (I was also there 5 years oddly. Do you enjoy being a traitor, incidentally?).
But I think that the big learning from trying to roll Workplace out to other companies is that it was the FB culture that made it work.
It's also worth noting that even though internal-FB stuff in core FB was absolutely bonkers, it definitely contributed to community formation, as you'd end up seeing that your XFN peeps hobbies/kids etc, so there was a loss there.
Although speaking as someone in EMEA, it was totally, totally worth it.
I do think we deliver $16/user/mo of value fwiw: unrestricted posting, DMing, video calls with recording + transcripts + LLM summaries, API, and tons more. But we're not doing a good enough job:
1. Giving people an on-ramp to try posting on Campsite without committing to $20/u/mo. What's your take if we had a $10/u/mo "starter" tier?
2. Telling the story on how working the "Campsite way" is so much better than Slack, and the craft in the product justifies the price (in my strong, very biased opinion).
I'm not GP, but I also dislike Slack's lack of user focus and generally interrupt-driven workflow. Campsite sounds really great, and I may well be interested even at the $16/mo price point, but the website does a poor job of telling me much about the product aside from how great "posts" are. The big screenshot on the front page looks a lot like just a Slack clone.
The premise of better long-form discussion was intriguing enough that I went looking on YouTube for a review or demo of Campsite. No luck, I just got endless results for camping apps, even after many iterations on search terms.
Maybe you could post some videos or links on your page about how Campsite matches Slack features, and then how it exceeds them? There are so many issues with Slack, from blurry screen sharing to lack of syntax highlighting w/o snippets to the channel list mysteriously resorting itself constant, I would love something that could replace it that also made remote-first collaboration better.
Good questions. Firstly though, given llamaimperative's post above, I think I should clarify that I couldn't see triple the value of Slack just by browsing the website. And while Slack has a bazillion features, I'm also well aware that most of them are so badly thought through as to be worse than useless. For instance, nobody in our company even understands what Slack's "canvas" is, or why we would use it.
So, for your questions - yeah, I definitely think a $10 starter tier would help, but I guess that would depend on what gets left out. If the story you mention in question 2 is as good as you say, I'd imagine you'd convert a lot of those users to the fuller tier anyway.
So on question 2, definitely! I could only see on the site one screenshot of the entire UI (which looks lovely btw), so it's hard for someone coming in cold to see how it behaves - I've tried out a lot of collaboration apps over the last few months and there's been more than one that looked beautiful but actually interacting with it was suboptimal to say the least. Having agreed with every word you wrote in the OP, I suspect you've paid a lot more attention to the user experience than these apps had though.
The other thing I think that's possibly missing from the website is differentiators that set it apart from Slack - the better async comms angle is up front, but as a shopper looking for a Slack replacement I want to know if this is going to solve some of my pet-peeves with Slack, like, can I actually assign tasks to other users? Does it even have the concept of tasks? Am I going to be able to hook it up to GitHub in a way that's more useful than Slack does?
There's also not much on the site about the docs / wiki / evergreen content side of things - we use Notion as well as Slack, and in all honesty we only ever signed up to Notion because Slack is like an information black hole. The idea of both of those things in a single app is appealing, especially with the backlinks feature.
Thanks to both you and llamaimperative for engaging here, would have been easy to dismiss my comment as a grumpy edge-case.
Oh, and one last thing, some of our Slack usage actually is just team members chatting as we're mostly remote - is there a space inside Campfire for more disposable type conversations?
It's much better, but most of our users are on iPhones. The one (yes, one) Android PWA user is really happy.
Probably the best part about PWAs on Android is that you install it more like an actual app. iOS still makes you "Add to Home Screen" which is very unintuitive.
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Hi, thanks for reaching out! Here's a couple I've submitted to mobilefeedback@github.com:
* Repository names aren't centered to the screen; they're centered to the space left between the bar button items. This might be intentional but is somewhat strange and out-of-place on iOS.
* Repositories with "strange" licenses show up with "None" rather than "tap here to see the actual license".
* Submodules used to show up as "Something went wrong". Now they show up as "Unable to view file".
* Tabs don't actually line up to a character boundary.
Since you're here, a couple more that I haven't bothered to get around to submitting:
* There's a lot of places that could use search fields. The repositories list, the organizations list, notifications, individual repositories (i.e. code search/file search)…
* A view to see a list of commits would be nice.
* There's a text-field looking thing on my profile for a status that I cannot actually figure out how to put text into.
* It'd be nice if links had the option of opening in SFSafariViewController.
* Code viewing is a bit uncomfortable, especially on smaller screens. The font size is a tad large, line spacing is pretty big, and not being able to disable wrapping on demand is somewhat inconvenient.
* It'd be nice to be able to review multiple lines at once.
I have a bunch more but I can't really recall them at the moment, so I'll keep submitting feedback in-app and hoping that you can get around to taking a look at it. Thanks!
This is probably links within the readme (like #installation in a table of contents). Known problem that we didn't get to fixing, but we're going to fix this soon. Thanks for the report.
Thanks for this, and sorry you got bumped from the beta. We're still actively shipping to our beta and if you'd like to rejoin please just email me (bio).
