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Is the rebuttal posted anywhere? I collapsed the huge first few threads but nothing is there. True or false, Amazon are saying it's not true that it's due to AI, and in fact their change in operational processes to add review is broader:

https://www.aboutamazon.com/news/aws/aws-service-outage-ai-b...


This is downvoted, but comments mentioning pedophilia, Israel controlling the US, and other conspiratorial tropes are getting upvoted. And the folks will leave here believing still that a pro-Israel bias exists here.

Lesser of two evils, I guess. People are tired of Israel/The US annihilating girl schools with expensive missile strikes and then have to hear from Netanyahou that it was actuall an Hamas/Hezbollah/Whatever hidden base. Also notice that you won't find any support for these terrorist organizations here, so I don't know what listing them achieves.

I don't see how pedophilia is a conspiratorial trope. The Epstein files are real. Yes it sucks that most of our leaders are the absolute bottom of the barrel of what humanity can offer, but unfortunately it's also the truth.

And I also don't think anyone thinks Israel controls the US. They don't. Rather, the US will do almost anything to defend Israel, even if it's self-destructive. This isn't based off of words or conspiracy, but rather actions. Lots and lots of actions, which cannot be denied.


This comment is being down-voted because this post isn't talking in favor the Iranian regime, it is talking about the atrocities that the people of Iran are having to live through, how their own government is self destructing and willing to take everyone with them, so a post about whom the regime has supported feels like it's missing the mark.

No one in this thread is thinking "This makes me like the Iranian regime" or "this is in favor of the Iranian regime". And so ofcourse your pro-Israel comments are even more besides the point, especially because this article is about the suffering of the Iranian people and you're take is "HN is anti-Israel whilst believing it is pro-Israel". HN isn't a single person, it's a lot of people with differing opinions and sometimes you'll have a pro-X sentiment and another time it might go the other way.

Also labeling 'pedophilia' as a 'conspiratorial trope' kind of defeats your entire comment, but maybe that's just me.


Is that the new anti-semitic trope now, Epstein and the world Jewry? If not, what kind of facts are you linking together to have Iran defending themselves from child molesters?

The more I see the intellectual level of the political discussions here, the more I understand why dang and moderators discourage political discourse.


It's an Epstein Mossad conspiracy. Maybe true, who knows.

Israel does like to rape their prisoners and let sex criminals hide there.


Sorry, is it your assertion that Trump isn't a child molestor???

Minimum karma perhaps?

It's easy for people to game but it's at least one more effort-based hurdle.


One recent phenomenon for me was falling in love with Tchaikovsky's Children of Time trilogy, which explores very long-term colony ships sent out with thousands of cryogenically sleeping people of various skillsets, and planets seeded with a virus that artificially causes non-human beings to develop a certain kind of intelligence of being able to transmit complex ideas to each other, leading to technological evolution. There's so much depth to this series it's breaktaking.

So when I finished the books and explored his fantasy series (City of Lost Chances?), I had to check three times that I in fact had the same author. It's full of regurgitated fantasy tropes, the writing and characters seem simple, and there's a forced world building with what feels like an infinite and boring back story, with no movement to justify it.

Maybe the author was trying to capitalize on the fantasy popularity? His sci-fi is otherwise genius.


I don't like any of his fantasy, but like you, felt that children of time was marvelous.

It's really weird, I keep not starting Tyrant Philosphers because I am terrified it'll be awful and might lead me to not continue with his wonderful sci fi.


> It's full of regurgitated fantasy tropes, the writing and characters seem simple, and there's a forced world building with what feels like an infinite and boring back story, with no movement to justify it.

Maybe it's because he published 7 books that year (2021). Maybe it's also a coincidence that I remember not liking Children of Memory and he published 6 books that year, compared to Children of Time which was 2015 / 2 books.

Also just checked and looks like the fourth book (Children of Strife) is releasing in 2 weeks!


Children of Memory was out there compared to the first two!

Looking forward to Children of Strife, though I didn't realize how many books he was spitting out.


I completely agree. Tchaikovsky's at his best in the standalone novels, sci-fi or otherwise - I feel that his series are written with an eye to generate a long lasting income whereas his standalones are where he explores new ideas,which makes the vastly more interesting to me. Cage of Souls, Alien Clay and Service Model are some of his finest.

I thought Children of Time was very good, although the third book was out there. The themes explored and the world building felt like three books was justified. Shroud is the only standalone I read from him, I enjoyed it and plan on taking your suggestions.

>I generally tend to interview every year to see what's out there in the world (sometimes I find something worth switching for, other times not). I'm not even looking very hard but have had 4 interviews in the last month.

The Pick-Up Artist's Guide to Tech Interviewing, you should be writing.

The first 100 subscribers get a 50% off discount the month of March, you should be announcing on LinkedIn and Tiktok, and making passive income.

The rest of us experienced people with proven track records have to learn algorithms on the weekends despite having white hair.


I understand this a lot.

I had managerial* position I ghosted because they had Leetcode literally written on the agenda.

* - managerial is replaced with Lead. Lead is expected to be hands-on as well as have serious managerial experience. Since it's easier to lie about managerial experience, you have people lying into these roles and becoming terrible managers.


He also pushed the first vaccine, and fast-tracked it : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Warp_Speed

The amount of ahistorical histrionics on here is deeply worrying for such an educated population. Your political news needs to change. Shouldn't have to say this but to people like you it's a necessity: not a Trump voter or supporter, just correcting misinformation.


solid and well written response except no one who is even slightly to the right would ever admit that we actually lived under Trump's rule during the COVID. entire right is now anti-vaccines, anti-all but it was the right that locked up our children and kept them out of schools and forced the vaccines on the population (could not go to the fucking gym without the proof of vaccination). so politically we have short-term memory in this country, especially the right politically. this is why the right is celebrating now America bombing the shit out of everyone while in October of 2023 were pitching that we need to vote right "to stop the endless wars."

It doesn't matter if the main reason is they over-hired. Financial services is going to eat it up, there are eyes going wide all over the place in the C-suites, I am certain. Companies/Funds that own other companies see an opportunity to reduce input costs (human costs). Even if over-hiring and AI are both explained reasons, the second one is going to win out as it's a narrative that lines up with what their goal is, to reduce costs.

Now the question is will that sustain? Are 50% of us doomed? Is it temporary, and a reversal will take place? Will it start and sputter?


"over-hired" seems like mostly copium of engineers being very afraid that their company will discard them like this and are trying to rationalize why they won't follow.


There was obvious over-hiring in the couple years after COVID while interest rates were low. A lot of companies corrected and laid off staff when that stopped.

This was before LLMs writing code was a daily discussion topic. Blaming every layoff on AI is mostly people connecting trending headlines together.


I don't think it's copium because it doesn't really matter if it's due to AI or COVID-era ZIRP-infused overhiring. If your company hasn't done multiple rounds of layoffs since 2022, they're going to come.


It depends. Maybe constant escalations at customers with unmaintainable products comes first.


What motivation is there to use AI to astroturf (if that's what this is) like this?

Is it ideological?

Is it product marketing in those relevant threads where someone is showcasing?

Or is it pure technical testing, playing around?


In some cases, it's probably to establish aged accounts that are more trusted by users and spam algorithms. There's a market for old Reddit accounts, for example.


Interesting.

Incidentally, how much do they pay for a HN account that is a few years old and accumulated a few thousand Internet points?

Asking for a friend.


They are very valuable. Just a few of them can put a link on the HN front page. Upvote a certain viewpoint. Or bury any post they want gone.


Yup, reddit is awash in established accounts that suddenly start spamming. Whole pools of them working to the same goal at times.


I receive multiple offers a year to participate in spam rings with the 20 year old high-karma reddit account. I usually just ignore them or report them. I could be making so much money /s

So far it hasn't happed here, but we'll see!


Yep. Like I said elsewhere on the thread, some of them already have enough karma to downvote.


I went through a phase where I milled responses through grinding plates of LLMs. Whether my reasons are shared with others remains unknown.

My relationship with writing, while improved, has been a difficult one. Part of me has always felt that there was a gap in my writing education. The choices other writers seem to make intuitively - sentence structure, word choice, and expression of ideas - do not come naturally to me. It feels like everyone else received the instructions and I missed that lesson.

The result was a sense of unequal skill. Not because my ideas are any less deserving, but because my ability to articulate them doesn't do them justice. The conceit is that, "If I was able to write better, more people would agree with me." It's entirely based on ego and fear of rejection.

Eventually, I learned that no matter how polished my writing is, even restructured by LLMs, it won't give me what I craved. At that moment, the separation of writer and words widened to a point where it wasn't about me anymore and more about them, the readers. This distance made all the difference and now I write with my own voice however awkward that may be.


Did you use AI for this answer?

Because it looks completely adequate for me. Maybe you're not the bad writer you think you are.


No, I wrote it by hand on my phone. Thanks! Appreciate the feedback and outside perspective :)


This was super relatable. Thank you for sharing. You're definitely not alone in this.


Same as Reddit. Accumulate enough points via posting shallow and uninteresting—yet popular—dialogue to earn down voting and flagging abilities, which can be used (via automation) to manipulate discussions and suppress viewpoints.

Slashdot's system was superior because mod points were finite and randomly dispensed. This entropy discouraged abuse by design—as opposed to making it a key feature of the site.

It's the Achilles' heel of Reddit and every site that attempts to emulate it.


Critically, Slashdot also had a meta-moderation system, where users were asked to judge moderation activity to confirm whether it was sensible, fair, and so on. I'd like to believe that system played a vital role in stopping abuse of the moderation system. It was way ahead of its time.

I've been advocating for a while now that HN could use meta-moderation at least on flagging activity, so it can stop giving flagging powers to users who are using it for reasons other than flagging rulebreaking.


Reddit awards one karma for a comment if it doesn't get downvoted. I noticed the other day that I got a pretty random and only tangentially relevant comment on a one month old post I made. I checked out the user, and they were only commenting on old posts to slowly accumulate karma. Only the poster will be notified about such a comment, and as long as it is made to be made of platitudes, most people will not bother downvoting.


I understand the technical angle that everyone is explaining - enough karma to showcase or downvote or flag.

No one's really described the main piece - the strategical motivation. I suggested politics/ideology, product marketing or just technical testing of sock puppet creation.

In reddit people spam referral links. And here?


I'd expect everything. HN ain't some local forum but place where opinions form and spread, and these reach many influential and powerful (now or in future) people. Heck there are sometimes major articles in general news about whats happening here.

To reverse the argument - it would be amateurish and plain stupid to ignore it. Barrier to entry is very low. Politics, ads, swaying mildly opinions of some recent clusterfuck by popular megacorp XYZ, just spying on people, you have it all here.

I dont know how dang and crew protects against this, I'd expect some level of success but 100% seems unrealistic. Slow and steady mild infiltration, either by AI bots or humans from GRU and similar orgs who have this literally in their job description.


Scams (romance scams or convincing people to run some code on their machine), influence operations by an intelligence agency, or advertising a product.


The same case that ruins most good things, greed. The tragedy of the commons does not discriminate


Some of the AI comments end with a link to something they're plugging. "If you'd like to learn more about this I have a free guide at my website here". Those get flagged quickly.

Other accounts might be trying to age accounts and dilute their eventual coordinated voting or commenting rings. It's harder to identify sockpuppet accounts when they've been dutifully commenting slop for months before they start astroturfing for the chosen topic.


tirreno guy here, we develop an open-source fraud prevention / security platform (1).

Sometimes there is no clear explanation for fake account registration. Perhaps they were registered to be actively used in the future, as most fraud prevention techniques target new account registration and therefore old, aged accounts won't raise suspicion.

Slightly off-topic, but there are relatively new `services` that offer native brand mentions in reddit comments. Perhaps this will soon be available for HN as well, and warming up accounts might be needed for this purpose.

1. https://github.com/tirrenotechnologies/tirreno


Others have covered some of the incentives, but sometimes the answer is simply "because they're pathetic"

They don't have anything worth saying but want people to think they do


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