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I hear what you're saying and it's very insightful. But I'm under the impression the libertarians have moved a lot closer to fascism I'm the recent years so it's hard to keep them in any tent. The "society has become more polarized" is an euphemism to describe an important rise of fascism across the world and in the US (that I'm not a citizen of). Yes it's polarized, because there's a side that's trying to create a political police and camps to deport everyone they disagree with as "illegal immigrants".

Circling back to EFF, I have seen many important legal issue related to digital freedom that I thought was important where they were involved. I think they're serving their mission. This decision makes sense, it's just a little bit late


I trend libertarian because I have a strong anti-authoritarian streak. I used to think of myself as closer to the Republicans, but these days I mostly only agree with the Democrats. Weird times.

This is part of the political polarization narrative. People are far more quick to throw around the word “fascist” for coalitions that support things like effective policing of crime or immigration controls that would result in a similar level of immigration as the recent past.

You're saying some people want a particular end, and that justifies certain illegal, violent, and discriminatory means.

I'd say those people support authoritarian politics at the least. Now add in the context of the end in question (less immigration of racialized people) and the means in question (indiscriminately imprisoning minorities), that in itself is well in line with fascism.


Right wing libertarians and right itself do not support effective policing of crime. They support more violent and unchecked police force. Those are two different things.

Also, right wing in fact moved toward fascism. It is ok to call them that.


I've been scrolling for a while and this is the first contact that makes sense to me. Ok, zuck has gone dark, yes tiktok governance and objectives are unclear. None of those companies are clean.

But Musk is actively *evil* and using this company specifically to serve his dark narrative and agenda. Thank EFF for quitting, was about time


That's just a drop compared to the ocean compared to this one time when he performed multiple nazi salute in front of an entire country, or when he single handedly decided to intervene in a foreign war via Star link control or when he messed with entire branches of the American government

> nazi salute, foreign war intervention, government influence

Leading with the supposed "nazi salute" really detracts from the other, much more legitimate and substantive issues you raised.


Disagree. It tells me all I need to know about the person riled up about it.

Yes, it tells you that they're normal unlike people who are still arguing today how Musk didn't actually do a nazi salute.

Yes. You are normal relative to the people that are easily programmed to hate on command and ignore rationality.

Ya ya; Musk is such a secret Nazi that he accidentally gave himself away with a wave that used to be commonplace and fell out of fashion after WWII; way before Musk was born. You cracked the code!


Supposed? He slapped his chest, and flung his arm hard into a heil. And then he turned around and heiled the flag.

He grew up in apartheid South Africa, where his grandparents moved because they wanted to support apartheid. His grandparents were nazis; as in Errol Musk has stated they were in the "German [Nazi] Party but in Canada", and supported Hitler in the 1940s. Elon would have picked up on these influences, and Elon himself has supported AFD, the current german nazi party. By all accounts, it's not out of character for Elon to heil. I mean, if we for some reason are discounting the obvious visual evidence that he did, in fact, heil.

Pleas explain to me how that wasn't a nazi salute.


The ADL says it was an awkward gesture, not a nazi salute. Snopes says his grandparents weren't nazis. They also say there's no proof his family moved to south africa because they supported apartheid. And even if his grandparents were nazis, it wouldn't make him a nazi. I'm sure many Germans have nazi grandparents, but that doesn't make them nazis.

>Elon himself has supported AFD, the current german nazi part

No, the current nazi party is Die Heimat (or whatever they call themselves). AFD just wants common sense immigration reform.


The ADL is not a reliable source on this, many other anti-semitism researchers and organizations stated it's a clear sieg heil.

ADL is not concerned with anti-semitism anymore, they'renonly concerned about silencing xriticism of Israel. This became clear when they updated their definition of anti-semitism to include anti-zionism and opposition to Israel. They have lost all credibility.

And AFD is most definitely a nazi party. Just because there are less polished nazi parties as well does not make them non-nazis. They have an ethnonationalist agenda, focusing on German ethnicity as the basis around which to build the German nation state. Contrast this with civic nationalism, the non-nazi liberal take on nation states, in which citizenship is based on a cultural identity and belonging, not your Germanic descent.


Anti-zionism is anti-antisemitism 99% of time. The desire to destroy Israel (as opposed to literally any other country) is rooted in hatred for Jews.

>And AFD is most definitely a nazi party. Just because there are less polished nazi parties as well does not make them non-nazis. They have an ethnonationalist agenda, focusing on German ethnicity as the basis around which to build the German nation state. Contrast this with civic nationalism, the non-nazi liberal take on nation states, in which citizenship is based on a cultural identity and belonging, not your Germanic descent.

The AFD is actually rather moderate. They want mass deportations for unassimilated migrants, i.e. people who don't speak German, don't work, commit crimes, etc. What's actually radical is the idea that you can import those with no connection to Europe and suddenly they are just as European as anyone else because you gave them citizenship.


> They want mass deportations for unassimilated migrants, i.e. people who don't speak German, don't work, commit crimes, etc.

Indeed, wish we could do the same with insular Jewish communities in the northeastern US that siphon off welfare while running fraudulent charities that are basically a way to siphon money from unexpected natives across the country.


I assume you mean the Haredi? I have never heard of them running fake charities but a lot of them go on welfare (in Israel). To be honest, most Israelis don't like them either. But I think the answer is cut off the welfare and force them to get jobs.

Ok, so you're a far-right zionist then.

And on a rational note, you're just writing up an army of strawmen to dunk on, and your arguments are not answering mine, they're nothing but rhetoric.

I don't think I can convince you. I hope some day you realize you're on the wrong side of history.

Or maybe you could just take off the mask fully and admit you're a racist. That would be preferable to this pathetic "centrist" roleplay.


LOL, when will you realize there is no arc of the moral universe; there is no "right" or "wrong" side to history. There is only what happens. So kick and scream about how much you hate Jews (Oh, sorry "Zionists"), but we're not going anywhere.

You seem to have taken the mask off, good for you!

I'm just mocking you.

I <3 israel


Yes, I like you better with the mask off. The dishonesty is gone.

I didn't know supporting Israel is taking off a mask. It's not a dirty secret you need to hide.

Oh no, part of the "just a reasonable centrist" mask is still stuck to your face. It's malfunctioning and reciting talking points. It's out of control!

Quick, you need to do something about it!!!


I don't know if Elon is a Nazi, but given who he support, some of his statements, and how explicit was this gesture, I don't think it's just an awkward coincidence. At the very least, he wanted to create some buzz which he probably finds amusing.

But yes, we can agree that it's not his worse sin. Just adds to a long list.


It's a really dark thing to me that we all watched him do it and people like yourself will just deny it.

Also the absolute height of stupidity to conclude he didn't do it despite quite literally having to take a tour of Auschwitz because he wasn't stopping the Nazis on his site.

Add to that the dozens of times we've learned about US Republicans praising Hitler and Elon quite literally being the biggest donor.

You're not a serious person.

lol https://www.axios.com/2025/01/23/elon-musk-nazi-joke-adl


So he's a nazi because: - he made such jokes as "Some people will Goebbels anything down!" and "Stop Gőring your enemies!"? - He visited Auschwitz after allowing free speech on X upset the advertisers. - He donates to the Republican party which praises Hitler (citation needed).

If anything you're not the serious person here.


> He donates to the Republican party which praises Hitler (citation needed).

Here you go:

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/10/14/private-chat-among-...

and another:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/mar/05/florida-inte...

He shard a video of a podcaster arguing Hitler had no desire to exterminate Jews and the Holocaust deaths were logistical failures.

His comments in Germany about too much past guilt.

The never-ending stream of tweets about white solidarity.

Restored white supremist accounts on X.

You're the new flat earther movement.


Your link doesn't show that the Republican party praises Hitler. Everybody involved in that story was condemned by mainstream Republicans. The one elected official was told to step down by the Republican governor of Vermont, and he did. You can find radical voices on the left who praise Stalin or the IRGC. That doesn't mean those views are mainstream in the party.

>He shard a video of a podcaster arguing Hitler had no desire to exterminate Jews and the Holocaust deaths were logistical failures.

The episode covered a lot of material that had nothing to do with WW2 or the Holocaust and Elon never endorsed any particular claims in it. In any case, Elon took down the post and put up a community note debunking Cooper's argument after people pointed it out.

You can find the episode here: https://tuckercarlson.com/tucker-show-darryl-cooper

>His comments in Germany about too much past guilt.

I agree with it. Why should people people feel guilty for the actions of others? It serves no purpose other than to further mass immigration. Elon Musk wants to end mass immigration into western countries which is why he supports right wing political parties in Europe and America. That doesn't make him or those political parties "nazi". You can oppose mass immigration without being a nazi.


WHAT??? lol They literally said "I love hitler"

> Everybody involved in that story was condemned by mainstream Republicans.

lol huh?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/oct/16/first-thing-...

> In any case, Elon took down the post and put up a community note debunking Cooper's argument after people pointed it out.

Ahh yes, the genius billionaire who doesn't understand basic English. That just coincidentally didn't realize he was platforming Nazis. That continues to spread racist bullshit on his X account.

> Why should people people feel guilty for the actions of others?

My point exactly. You're a child.

You're the new flat earthers.


It was condemned by New York and Vermont Republicans including the Republican governor of Vermont. Then New York Republicans voted to dissolve the organization. As for Vance's comments, he is pointing out that many of the participants were young and shouldn't have their lives ruined over this. I agree. People are capable of change, and young people are prone to saying stupid things.

>Ahh yes, the genius billionaire who doesn't understand basic English.

Do you remember everything that gets said in a multi-hour podcast? Do you even listen all the way through?

>flat earthers

I think you are living in a bubble. I suggest you go touch grass and maybe even talk with your Republican neighbors about their beliefs.


My bad. Who among us doesnt "accidentally" share Holocaust denial clips or have to tour Holocaust museums because we keep joking about it or makes seig heils or talks incessantly about preserving the white race.

Really it could have happened to any of us.


lol

I still can't believe we're doing this. Even after Elon has allowed X to devolve into a cesspit of Nazis. Even though he had to take a tour of Auschwitz because of his insensitivity to it. Even though he's the biggest donor to a party that cant stop idolizing Hitler in group chats that leaked, even though he wont stop talking about the destruction of the white race, even though he wont stop race-baiting himself, even after all that and a handful of other things youre totally convinced he didn't do a Nazi salute.

edit: The degree to which people are dishonest or just unbelievably gullible is pretty astonishing. It's like arguing wtih flat earthers.


That sounds like a very smart move at the time where Europe realize the US isn't such a gray partner and it's trying to reduce it's critical dependencies on foreign nations tech and infra. Good job. I'm actually very surprised to see this from the germans who have this reputation of great engineering culture

Not in software. German software is awful. Think german cars, banks, telecoms etc

Nor in the physical world either. Crumbling planes, trains and automobile infrastructure. Collapsed bridges, airports that don't function properly etc.

Ah yes, the fabulous car engineering of Dieselgate.

Well they got caught..

And then they successfully lobbied the EU to water down rules for transitioning to electric.

While I agree, it'd be hard to say that SAP is not good

As someone who has experienced a Migration to SAP, no it is quite hard to say it is good. Doesn't work on mobile (unless you toggle on "desktop" mode, at which point if kinda works), is slower than the preceding PHP solution and generally functions like a POS. Other SAP implementations did not seem to behave much better.

They might have some great software _somewhere_ but I have yet to see it.


SAP software is the bane of most people, who have to use it, except for expensive consultants, who make bank preying on hapless clueless companies opting to use SAP software.

SAP is very good at what it is trying to do, which is to define, standardize, automate and run a business process, and it is equipped with a large library of premade processes so you don't have to reinvent the wheel.

It does not have good UX because good UX was never the objective.


We had people formerly saying that in our org and going to a _decade_ of several failed ERPs. Now we run SAP. Still people are unsatisfied with SAP. Not even recognising that the failures are mostly self instricted policies. The organisation worked somehow before having an ERP, because people ignored the given organisation and improvised. That's close to impossible if you use digital processes from end to end. And yet, the ones with the poor organisational skills blame software.

Strong =! Good

[citation needed]

> from the germans who have this reputation of great engineering culture

This was more than 30 years ago. Now we have a great culture of overregulation.


I think the reputation is fading. I know I’d take a Chinese car over a German one.

I wouldn't, as China being the largest single market for motor vehicles and the cutthroat competition there is what caused all this.

Everyone is trying to cut costs so as to be able to compete there and Europeans are paying the cost of financing this.

Personally I'm going to wait until the average car age in China crosses the 10-year mark to get a new vehicle. Until that happens there will be no incentive to think about longevity.


I don't think it is. There are many many cases where you do want to own them. The people you rent yours from are making a shit load of money so it doesn't sound that bad of an idea

I buy lots of things from people who make a pile of money from low margin goods/services sheerly on scale. There are many things i could not reproduce more cheaply from constituent parts, even if i value my time at $0.

This includes things I have expertise in.


AWS is clearly not in a low-margin business, though.

you're going to save money by having your own physical servers?

Yes, a lot of money in fact.

Sounds like the code of OpenClaw haha


Why does every tool on the face of earth try to add AI features ? Good tools are simple and orthogonal. If you want AI, there's already plenty of other tools doing it probably better.

I'm overall fairly disappointed by this announcement. This IMHO doesn't bode well


If you want VC money you need to put an AI spin on it.


Product is free, open source and largely written and maintained by one person. Doesn't seem like a startup payday scheme.


It’s fine - I like the introduction of AI. It’s optional - if you don’t want it, turn it off or don’t use it


AI features are the new Electron app. Welcome to the new hell, please finish installing your 10 different inference engines, one for each app.


If you had to commit to Windows quality you'd have done so a few decades ago.

Also, Linux (via Android, micro computers everywhere and the vast internet) touches way more lives then Microsoft.

At this point in the article I realized I didn't care one bit and stopped reading


Yeah that's still very far away from FAANG repos


In total LOC sure. This isn’t close to my companies total repos either… But surely a FAANG dev isn’t writing code across thousands of repos. In fact the people I know most at fang have less scope than this not more. So what is the relevant blocker here?


It checks out if you take into account most developers are actually rather mediocre outside of places where they spend an insane amount of time and money to get good devs (including but not limited to FANG)


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