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it just is either or -- or probability wise close to it. from the time and demand it takes to be a good parent, to the many things you have to do to afford children, to the fact that being responsible for somebody makes you largely beholden to people with money and health insurance, it just is.

at least for the salary earning classes.

people's range of behavior is narrowed by the hierarchy of needs. having a child amplifies this effect.

if you want to do something revolutionary that potentially threatens the status quo, it is better to be either independently wealthy or have much fewer economic needs and pressures.


If you want to do something revolutionary that potentially threatens the status quo, first you have to be born.


Sure. But the question on this thread is if you also have to have offspring, which is orthogonal to being born yourself.


Some people want to make the world a better place by having families. To me this makes at least as much sense most plans for world-improvement.


What about having families makes the world a better place?

Plenty of abusive, criminal, ..., families. Matter of fact, every negative historical figure was also born into a family.


"What about having families makes the world a better place?"

Families are vital. That everybody from Genghis Kahn to Jonas Salk was born into one ought to be the tip-off.


it is true. they're not.

as a father, i may go out of my way to disagree with him to justify my own past decisions. as an unattractive social reject, i may go out of my way to agree with him.

we are naturally going to have very intense feelings and be very egotistical one way or another about the subject of spreading our own DNA.


My bet is when you get back to "basics", you will end up writing some ( probably worse ) rendition of views, models, collections, and events.

They are the most basic components of any good UI and if you find yourself deviating from them too much you're probably in the early stages of Dunning Kruger. My advice. God knows I learned the heard way. Develop a little humility and learn from the decades worth of history of people who came before us.

None of these application architecture problems are new. Backbone is simply the re-introduction of time tested historical principles to all you young amnesiacs.


> develop a little humility, all you young amnesiacs

Really? There's no need to be insulting or condescending.

The reaction against Backbone is that people like the tutorial author evangelize it as a universally better solution, like the line about the original example code: "It looks like most JavaScript code I wrote a year ago." That's just smug and annoying.

And while a strong MVC pattern is appropriate in some instances, the fact is that it is not appropriate for probably 95% of web apps out there. Instead, it's over-abstraction and over-architecture that gets in the way of productive development.

There, now I'll get off your lawn.


Power accumulates first in the hands of the people who make the guns and the bullets, who package them, ship them, write the accounting software, process the orders, pack the trucks, etc.

The only real violence we should worry about is the every day violence that is used against these people ( mainly the threat of starvation, unemployment, poverty ) if they don't do their jobs. And that violence is surprisingly effective considering that violence changes the world by making it every day, and remaking it, over, and over, and over. Making people choose to get out of bed before 8am instead of sleeping in and making love and eating pancakes. Over and over and over.

Any one who talks about revolution without talking about first about every day life has a corpse in their mouth. Debates about violence and non-violence represent a decision that represents maybe 0.0005% of the experience of human beings.

There are so many more interesting, probably 100x more revolutionary decisions one could make, where this debate isn't even relevant.

Should one work on optimizing life for the sustainability of multiple concurrent romantic relationships instead of for the stability and predictability of a mortgage payment? If so, how? What effects would this have on the economic and military stability of a country?

Want to topple a regime? Make its subjects fall in love and want to bone more than they want to go to work.

Start by writing an app for that.


Young man.

I have been in your exact shoes and tried this exact strategy. Hated the exact same things you do. Told every internet forum that would accept me that the US Government has worked in order to support economic interests and supremacy through out the world and in the process has benefitted from and knowingly participated in serious crimes against humanity. I gave hundreds of examples backed by our own documentary record and declassified history. Chomsky style. I could go on for hours on just central America.

It doesn't work. Your words are going to fade into a black hole and eventually only you will remember them. And probably not, even.

This is not going to help you achieve your goals. Detach and think about why. It is obvious.


Sad. But true.

As satu said below, there's a lot of ways to avoid thinking in what their well-being costs all around the world. Most people just see gadgets, ignoring the kids killed in Coltan wars. We like to feed our vehicles without thinking about all kind of problems that the very same oil we are using is causing elsewhere. And it's natural, otherwise, we'd get crazy.

But then again, it's amusing when (just to put a silly example) a company changes something in their EULA, and lot's of people start calling for a boycott.

Our values scale is so damn wrong.


Sad indeed, the news of a a cat being rescued from a tree or Lindsay Lohan on drugs again is more important, that another 4 or 14 Afghan kids were just killed by NATO is not worthy of prime time, not when we are the ones killing kids.


@datapimp,

I know what you're saying, but I think that now the average American knows a lot more than she did 20 years ago, thanks to the internet. If it was up to the big media corporations the average Joe would never have found out about the other side, they would only know that we are liberating Iraq, Afghanistan, Cuba, Venezuela etc. I think you must have change the mindset of some of the people that read your stuff, maybe you sowed some seeds of change (and no I'm not talking about Obama who is carrying out some of the same policy and taken some of the Bush policies even further, and has prosecuted more whistle-blowers than all other US presidents combined).


>It doesn't work. Your words are going to fade into a black hole and eventually only you will remember them. And probably not, even. This is not going to help you achieve your goals. Detach and think about why. It is obvious.

It's not about "working" or "success", it's about doing the right thing and telling it like it is.

Also, the "not working" part? Not that true, anyway. It maybe have not worked for US leftists and the SDS et al, but it has worked wonders in many countries, for getting rid of dictatorships, colonialism and such.


Well, it is a disaster that has been waiting for a while now. Several large production apps on that stack, and not really any problems.


I think the point is there may come the times when there two frameworks that depends on different version of dependencies. It could be the Backbone-UI and something else.

It would be okay if the consumer code is dependent on all the libraries. But if one of your framework is dependent on certain version of library and another one depends on another version of the said library, that is disaster waiting to happen. It would be hard to upgrade one framework , hence making it hard to move forward since your code is all tangled to all the frameworks.




the benchprep webapp is a great use of the backbone.js framework


See: mandatory sentence laws. Convictions didn't yield prison time before them at the same rate they do after.


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