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"Older people" (whoever they are) must take half the blame for ageism :)

Not sure if it's statistically valid or what, but anecdotally the loudest "older people" are the kind who start and end every conversation with "Ugh, kids these days! Am I right?! Back in our day, bla, bla, bla..." I believe this sort of thing does make people think the geezers might be somewhat out of touch with the present.

Generally, this is just an attribute of traditionalist society. According to it, only older people can be president (for youngins don't have the requisite "wisdom"), women should choose family over career or the necessity for the older people to shit all over the "youngsters today".

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Let me elaborate. My central point is that traditions rule in traditionalist society and generations dismissing each other is not unique to programming community. I did want to add that to change the status quo guys like the OP must outshout the more traditionalist voices, but I thought that was self-explanatory.

An example of the latter is Emile Ratelband [0] who argues he shouldn't be held back by traditionalist assumptions about his abilities due to his age. I support the man.

[0] https://www.npr.org/2018/11/08/665592537/69-year-old-dutch-m...


anecdotally the loudest "older people" are the kind who start and end every conversation with "Ugh, kids these days! Am I right?! Back in our day, bla, bla, bla..."

I'm curious that the information in this quote is characterized as "bla, bla, bla." When I see a politician mix up climate and weather, isn't it valuable for me to tell about how we had piles of compacted snow at the end of our driveway, we could literally tunnel rooms out of we could sit in? (Today, the same region is lucky if they have a white Christmas.) Why isn't that information useful and relevant?

When I see a programming community make the same mistakes other similar programming communities made in the past, isn't this useful information?

Your comment suggests that you have a bias, automatically assuming the experiences have no worth.


Well... hopefully we can all recognize there are some older people who are generally dismissive of younger people. And some who are not. Likewise, the other way around.

You can see the problem: If it's OK for one group to be dismissive of another group because some members of that group are dismissive of them, then it all immediately blows up. There just needs to be one jerk somewhere. And of course we are all part of multiple groups that don't necessarily overlap 100% with others around us so if you take this approach generally you end up being unable to get along with hardly anyone.

I'm hoping people can usually look beyond the most obvious outward physical characteristics of the people they interact with. It doesn't seem like it should be a lot to ask -- it's in everyone's own self-interest after all -- but it doesn't always work out.


Could you please stop with the one-off accounts? This is a community site, and community members have a persistent (even if pseudonymous) identity.


anecdotally, I've noticed younger people making oddly old-fashioned decisions compared to older people who've seen the older ways fail


There's no satisfactory book on how to read substantial code. The result is that everyone is a writer and no one is a reader. Can you imagine a situation where almost anyone can write literary novels, but very few can read them?


I've heard this a few other times in the past actually. Are you talking about strategies for getting familiar with a new code base? Or more general like debugging or code reviews?

Do you have examples of books on this topic that you're not satisfied with?


Notations, symbols, terminologies and words are cheap in math. Most math text/books actually have a page or two explaining what each symbol stands for in THAT particular book. What counts in math are IDEAS. That said, a good entry point into the world of mathematics is Book of Proof by Richard Hammack [0]. It's free.

https://www.people.vcu.edu/~rhammack/BookOfProof/


Thank you very much for the link!


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