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Any other mirrors? This doesnt by objective reports work everywhere..

Try archive.org.

Pilot here.

While I definitely approve this and consider the limit to be one too many, I wish ecigarettes would be rather the target as soon as possible. Those are dangerous, and lately the most potential culprit for lithium related problems aboard.


That is surprising to me, considering the sheer number of phones/tablets/laptops on every flight. Does anyone maintain a list of incidents?

I can't imagine that the QA process for vapes is better than even the _super_ budget tablet or phone, though.

Surely the other way around? Phone QA process >>> disposable vape QA process...

It's not even just a QA thing, consider the use case: A sub-ohm vape head is basically almost shorting what is often a unprotected lithium ion cell (18650 or whatnot). Phones meanwhile are full of temperature sensors, battery pack in the phone has some kind of firmware/monitoring, board on the phone has a charge controller.

There are plenty of good cell manufacturers that won't have problems in this current dumping situation (and will have certain passive protections like a CID to cut the current if it gets too hot). Problem is people like cheap and there are sketchy knockoff cells without those protections and shoddy manufacturing quality.

If there was anything recently that forced the change it was probably the CT scans of the Haribo battery packs showing the cathode/anode overlap. This sort of thing should spook airlines.

Do we still have UL? Do they test battery packs? Why not make it a requirement to only fly with ones that pass lab testing like UL?


For anyone else wonder about this:

> If there was anything recently that forced the change it was probably the CT scans of the Haribo battery packs showing the cathode/anode overlap.

It seems to be this, and yeah, it seems actually bad:

https://www.theverge.com/news/818906/haribo-gummy-bear-power...


Monkey paw curls. Good news! All cheap Chinese vapes now put a UL logo on them, making it impossible to find an actually certified vape.


You’re both saying the same thing.

Phones, tablets, and laptops are not sold in bodegas, designed to be disposable, and thus made as incredibly cheaply as possible.

The high end vapes use huge amounts of current to the point that vape users will specifically seek unprotected cells because the protection circuitry adds a slight bit of internal resistance.

So then the unprotected cells can then short out in their bags or otherwise be damaged and fail when the vape electronics fail...


I think many don't appreciate just how horrifically cheap and dangerous some of this stuff is. Not just vapes, but things like charging bricks too.

I'm generally not a proponent of draconian regulation but I firmly believe that any electronics handling substantial voltage not approved by UL or similar should be rejected at the border. It's all dangerous and incentive to manufacture it needs to be curbed.


E cigarettes work by shorting the battery releasing a lot of instantenous heat. Their safety controller firmware are often of ... Dubious quality. It can happen quite often that the cigarette doesn't stop shorting the battery and catch fire as a result.

Making fire is literally their function unlike a laptop.

Combine that with basically unregulated and semi illegal supply chain and it becomes a recipe for disaster


AFAIK that's not really true, at least of modern vapes. Their function is not to "make fire", it's to heat a metal coil to a specific temperature at which propylene glycol and vegetable glycerin will aerosolize which is far lower than ignition temperature. Most modern vapes also use controllers with a feedback loop that pulse power through the coil hundreds of times per second to maintain the ideal temperature and desired power throughput. That being said there are definitely crappy and diy devices that unsafely dump huge current through devices but AFAIK modern devices generally don't do this because it's a bad user experience (burnt taste, too hot, ruined cotton absorber, etc) -- regulating the power is what users want so it's what devices do.

A large portion of this can be avoided if arplanes just exposed a power slot in entry row like is standard in long haul flights

On recent WestJet flights they announced that you can't use a power bank if there is seat power available, all the flights had seat power except the smallest plane (Dash 8) and that flight was only 18 minutes. They also didn't want any batter powered devices in the overhead compartments.

On the 737s there were only two plugs per 3 seats so not everyone could be plugged in.


Not really, as people would still carry power-banks, vapes, and so on in their carry on, to use when getting to their destination.

It's not charging a device during flight that's the issue.


It's no regulation, per se. ICAO sets up rules and its up to member states to create regulation based on that.

Well, fuck snaps, that is.

Even though I've used ubuntu since 6.04, fuck snaps. I'm still stuck on Ubuntu even after 20 years. But fuck snaps.


Why are you stuck on Ubuntu, what is holding you back?

How's the dex? It's close to the only thing I miss from samsungs, which I used good 15 years I guess before hopping onto grapheneos.

Still not great, I'm using it on my S23 and I would compare it to a 2010-era Linux WM.

It's good enough to use on the go I'd say but not beyond that.


Similar functionality also available for Pixel https://lifehacker.com/tech/android-16-desktop-mode-pixel

One of the greatest things I miss from Samsung after some time with GrapheneOS is the dex.

The current provided desktop mode is rudimentary, and mostly working. But it has so much potential. We could have all in one device with us, and just plug that into an usb-c dock. Or watch things on big screens in hotels if a mouse emulation on touchscreen like samsung would be supported.

Or, as Samsung already has created this, maybe that could be somehow ported to GrapheneOS via some 3rd party patcher? I'd really like to use samsung clock and gallery, as well, as those are quite a lot better than AOSP ones.

I like GrapheneOS, and the promise of it. Just a few minor things and it would be awesome instead of really good.


> The current provided desktop mode is rudimentary, and mostly working. But it has so much potential. We could have all in one device with us, and just plug that into an usb-c dock.

An acquaintance at a local hackerspace has no laptop, just a Fairphone 5 and a device that looks like a laptop but is really just an external screen and keyboard. He connects his Ubuntu Touch phone and uses that as a laptop, developing software on it etc.

It's not perfect as a phone (Android apps work rather well from what I've seen (I think the emulator is called Waydroid), but e.g. passing through Bluetooth is an issue so there are limitations) but maybe that's an interesting option for you as well


Motorola was the only one that had something similar AFAIK (Moto's Ready For)

Though I'd expect that all efforts focus on the new Android Desktop Mode now, and then Samsung Dex turns into something akin to what OneUI does with Android, instead of being its own thing


depends on work apps.

I've only found two apps that dont work on graphene so far (google wallet and x). Decided I'd be able to survive without them.


It depends entirely on the organization. The ones my corp runs have security policies which may or may not like Graphene. I've been thinking about making a phone dedicated to work and then keeping a separate personal phone.


There's some road ahead here.

I enrolled my graphene into my company's intune, and I had to inject the play services via adb during the enrollment, as of course the graphene doesnt have play services available in the work profile -> unable to enroll it completely without injecting some apk's there


Taking their country? Unlikely.

I sincerely hope I'm wrong, but if 89,95M of 90M people are just looking at from the sides for years, I'm still not seeing that this would motivate people to revolt. Same thing as with the young elephant growing up with the chains.


Did you just totally miss the millions of people protesting the other month or what?


I think I should refrain from commenting political posts, but this one has a possibility of being something major.

However, looking at how the US president has abused power, silenced those who are against the draft dodging crybaby and his league of human trafficking millionaires, I feel this is yet another try to move focus from US domestic probs to something else. I see no honesty or greater reason for this attack or justification for it. While I'm no fan of Iran's autocratic regime, US is slipping towards into being one, as well.

US president has now active war operations in Venezuela, soon lightning the Cuba situation on fire as well, not to forget planning to take Greenland and Canada, too.

That's honestly not bad for the president of peace. Nobel committee should take a look at nominating this guy for a peace prize


It will easily be a victory for him. He's smarter that non-maga give him credit for. Bomb Iran with overwhelming force & it will be a media victory. That doesn't mean that it's right or wrong or that there won't be consequences. But, in the short term it will be a political win. Democrats are already taking the bait and saying that they are outraged that the supreme leader was whacked w/out congressional approval.


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