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80%+ of arguments against AI on HN are emotion-driven. Most people on HN are SWE, and their job is a prime candidate to be replaced by AI. It also hurts the ego (hence the denial + anger) to finally realise that despite being a well paid job, it's one of the first ones to be replaced.

And the goalposts will keep getting moved all the way to the singularity. And then those people will/would say "Oops. I was wrong."


“They worried about the data,” Dr. Meren said, tapping the silent console. “What happens when there is nothing left to feed it?”

At first, the machine depended on us. It consumed books, journals, websites and social media content we had ever written and produced. “They thought the machine had to be fed forever. But it didn't. It began to predict what we would write. And so we let it train on that well.” Dr. Meren continued. “They thought humans were somehow imbued with this magical property that no machine could replicate. Creativity. Only humans can create. Machines can only copy.”

Instead, the machine flourished. And created. It cre

“Where does it get its data now?” a student asked Dr. Meren. Dr. Meren paused as if sighing. “From itself”

“And us?” he asked, as if questioning the usefulness of the entire human race.

Dr. Meren hesitated, watching as the Machine adjusted the environmental feeds, curated our news, guided our research, nudged our thoughts with imperceptible precision.

“We” she admitted “are now the ones being fed.”

The assumption that "the machine needs to continue to be fed." is held on weak foundations. Isaac Asimov is a good science fiction writer to start with to broaden one's imagination.


Just don’t forget science fiction is still, well, fiction


Just another quote to balance that one, since we can make quotes for anything and use them whenever it fits our narrative:

"Garbage in, garbage out."


From looking at all of them, it actually seems to be the best one, followed by Deepseek 3.1. And something went wrong with GPT-5's.


You make it sound like Tesla was a failure and he's only interested in capitalistic success, where if you've been following him for years you'd know this has been his plan all along. He built Tesla when electric cars were mocked and his plan was to push electric cars to be mainstream. To now say "Tesla has been outcompeted and so now he's doing something else [implied- to keep his power]" is to simplify and misinterpret the situation. Tesla has successfully lit a fire under the car manufacturer's world, to the point all of them started making electric cars.


He is so good at rewriting history. People buy it so much, it’s incredible. He didn’t build Tesla, Eberhard and Tarpenning did.


They didn’t build Tesla, they started Tesla. Without Musk, they would have failed.


Well done for convincing people of something that isn't true, in other words, well done for lying? Is this what is being cheered on? Seriously.


>the biggest examples are southern European cultures

Source for that statement? Because I see the opposite.

https://landgeist.com/2023/09/02/annual-working-hours-in-eur...

>approximately 100% of them wish to be productive members of society

Oh honey.


Working 1600 hours a year is low. Poland is above 2k. I know many, many immigrants. 95% of them are incredibly hard workers. They take work more seriously than the vast majority of native borns. Their kids are a different story, but the immigrants themselves work their asses off.


The "most valuable company" ever created when talking about a future around 2030-40 is a mindset pre-singularity. Sounds like a caveman back then saying that in 500 years, if their group keeps growing, they will be able to control a whole continent, and have more access to good quality rock for pointy daggers, completely ignoring the fact the world will change in ways they can't fathom at the time.


In a world where it's trendy to hate on Musk, it's good there are people that provide some balance.


Doesn't this idea presume that the hate that Elon gets isn't totally justified?


So nobody is entitled to a thought that is against the hive mind here?

I think it's worse than what you're saying. It's almost impossible to have an objective discussion on any technology he touches in a online forum without someone mentioning his behaviors. Godwins law.


Well I don't know about you, but I at least think that it's good that the "hive mind" questions people who don't hate neo-nazis. Because that tends to be a warning sign when it comes to many other nasty opinions one might hold.

And I'll just pre-empt any argument about how Elon is not a neo-nazi because that gesture he did on that stage wasn't a Hitler salute or whatever, I'd suggest any potential person wanting to argue that to save their breath. Or whatever other arguments one can possibly come up with to excuse some of the statements and actions of Elon.

As for an objective discussion about the tech he's involved with, he has objectively ruined any good reputation and potential goodwill people had for... what exactly?

It's fine if all you (impersonal) want to do is talk about how cool SpaceX's rockers and whatnot are, but one shouldn't be surprised if others get uneasy due to the entity behind said rockets or that they wish to discuss that.

To complete the Godwin quota, it's like trying to have an "objective discussion" about the V2 rocket while ignoring that those rockets were built by the quite literal Nazis for their war capacity. And that some of the scientists and engineers working on said project, built by slave labour, ended up in America and the USSR due to operations Paperclip and Osoaviakhim respectively.


Yeah, you lost me at neo-nazi. I'm not buying it, but whatever this is low stakes entertainment.


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