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I don’t understand the IP location criticism at all. At least for my experience across Europe all locations that are being reported by the common databases are within 250km of the actual customer.


IP locations work great for probably a reasonably large chunk of services.

But it's the edges that get you.

I moved home a few years back, connected a new service with the same ISP.

They have an IP pool that is labelled as for one state (Victoria, Australia) but is also used for their services in Tasmania.

So now I have to fight every major website (Google, Amazon, Maxmind, etc) that does GeoIP lookups that I'm not in Victoria, I'm 500-800KM away.

Google was very confused for about 12 months because when I moved I also brought my wifi gear and so it would give me a precise location of my old address because it used wifi geolocation.


Maybe this is very european of me but 250KM is outrageously far. Dublin to Belfast is like 130KM. If it says they're in Seville (in Spain) within <200KM they could also be in Portugal, Morocco, or Gibraltar. If it says you're in Brussels within <200KM you could also be in France, England, Germany, Netherlands, Lux. If you're in Vienna (Austria), you could also be in Germany, CZ, Slovakia, Hungary, Slovenia or Croatia. Maybe you're in Vilnius? You could also be in Latvia, Poland, Russia or Belarus.

Comedically far.


It's short by Australian standards. I was born 1000km away. It's a 12 hour drive. I've done it numerous times. It was a regular thing when I was young.

Uni students have been know to drive for a drink at the pub at the next Uni north (at the time) over the weekend for a lark. That's 2000km, one way.

A serious undertaking by Australian standards is a drive to Perth. That's 5000km in a straight line, but of course you can't drive in a straight line to Perth.

I met a guy once who was the last leg of circumnavigating Australia on his push bike. It had taken him years, and it looked like it. I've never seen someone so wirey, so obviously fit. Yet he rode at a slow measured pace. That was no doubt a habit forced by the trailer his bike towed. I guess the trip was around 15,000km.


The criticism is that it exists, which invites abuse. Being more accurate would be worse.


When you put it that way, well, it made me chuckle. (The irony!)


I think that’s not true for EU devices? Not sure if there are any browsers with an alternative engine are actually available though.

https://developer.apple.com/support/alternative-browser-engi...


As long as you pass Apple's arbitrary rules, you can make your own browser for iOS. Ladybug uses Apple's test suite as an arbitrary measure of completeness.

However, no browser engine has bothered so far because they'd need to upload a separate app to the app store specifically for EU users, and non-EU developers cannot debug the application on a real device so manpower is region-restricted unless you hack around the limitations.


> As long as you pass Apple's arbitrary rules, you can make your own browser for iOS. Ladybug uses Apple's test suite as an arbitrary measure of completeness.

The browser is called Ladybird and it isn’t Apple’s test suite, web-platform-tests is a collective effort all the major players contribute to. Almost two thousand people have contributed to it:

https://github.com/web-platform-tests/wpt/graphs/contributor...


Kind of. But Apple makes it so hard to develop an engine for EU devices, that no browser makers are currently willing to do it.


Am I the only one who thinks that this post-mortem for a margin of email users worldwide is a pure marketing gimmick to attract more "technical" users?


I don't think the Lastpass approach is how anyone gets any new customers, to say nothing of the technical ones


What‘s next? Bing Maps is „leaking“ data to Microsoft?


It depends on what you mean. If you mean "to be disseminated throughout the whole damn company" then hell no. What kind of privacy is that? I don't care that Edge and Bing belong to the same company. Microsoft is a huge company.


Does disabling Private Relay[1] on a DNS-level prevent this?

[1] https://developer.apple.com/support/prepare-your-network-for...


Yes, but just keep the feature off in the OS. Why go through these ridiculous workarounds?


My main reason to move from Mail-in-a-Box[1] to AWS WorkMail[2] to finally Microsoft Office 365[3] was that there is no other implementation which supports all MS Outlook features like native MS Exchange.

Are there any (Self-Hosted?) alternatives nowadays?

1: https://mailinabox.email 2: https://aws.amazon.com/workmail/ 3: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/exchange/excha...


There are many hosted Exchange providers. You can also self-host it, but that’s costly or you need to be an MS Gold partner or something.


So they are throttling because they can't fulfill the demand and want to save money on network traffic?


The EU asked them to. They were having no problem keeping up.


Why would anyone in Europe ask for that. All ISP publicity said they have more than enough capacity available.

Also it would be the first time that a U.S net company does something voluntarily just by kindly asking.


https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/19/tech/netflix-internet-ove...

"European Commissioner Thierry Breton, who is responsible for the EU internal market covering more than 450 million people, spoke to Netflix (NFLX) CEO Reed Hastings on Wednesday and again on Thursday about the strain video streaming was placing on networks."

Apparently the EU thinks it's a problem.

The truth is that this will probably make little difference, but it makes sense for Netflix to do this since it doesn't cost them anything and now they are owed a favor by a regulator.


Have a look at 3cx! Free for basic usage, great mobile apps and very easy deployments.


Someone explain to him that you have to click the Verify button on both browser.


Sam who?



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