> Do you really need access to banking apps on the go?

Yes, I do.

I'm currently looking for a new Android phone. I don't like the Pixel and deep integration with Google. I looked at the Fairphone with /e/OS and the Pixel with GrapheneOS, but unfortunately there's no certainty that everything will work or where the boundary is between Google Android and "clean" Android. For example, it turned out that Android Auto is essentially Google Auto and I don't what find out what is dependent on Google. I want something that just works. A phone isn't something I want to tinker with like Linux ten years ago. So basically the choice comes down to Samsung and Chinese brands.

Pixel's "deep integration with Google" is in the OS, so if you replace the OS with GrapheneOS, there is no deep integration anymore.

Yes, but I made an argument about /e/OS and GrapheneOS. You never knows what will work or stop working.

Sure, but I was only responding to the reservation you expressed about Pixel: "I don't like the Pixel and deep integration with Google."

Motorola just made a deal with GrapheneOS, so I'd vager they're going to be around for longer on that basis alone.

GrapheneOS has sandboxed Google Play, which allows using most Google services (including Android Auto) while limiting their deep OS access.

> Anyone have any solutions to this?

No solution. I am a big fan of OSM, but modern maps are not about street namesabd building, but about POI. When you go/drive somewhere you are going to store/museum/pharmacy and so on. If this data isn't reliable it's useless. Additional information like phone number, working hours and website is next level which isn't achievable by OSM.

It is all supported by OSM, but /someone/ has to add it to OSM for it to be present.

Whether it is present in any given area depends upon whether someone bothered to add it to OSM.

Yes, supported, but what is your confidence level in this information?

It's clearly end user problem who is not able to book a ride. Root cause is on Uber side.

It's not breaking free from Google, but pretending it does not affect you. You are still at mercy of app developers and Google which may introduce some changes that will affect you. Additionally you never know what will work or stop working.

If something truly unacceptable happens, you still have a while to switch to something else, in the meantime you will still have a working system.

That's pretty unavoidable at that level unless you are able and willing to build your own phone hardware, OS, and all the apps you need.

They are working with a partner to create their one phone hardware.

> Because this is a thing in most of Europe.

I think you wastly exegarate your observations.

According to this, he's mostly right: https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/rankings/people_with_credit...

It's not about owning credit card, but about being able to use it in physical shop. In one of the parent comments author of comment to which I replied said:

> Why would you expect to be able to use a creditcard in a physical shop in the Netherlands?

And then

> Because this is a thing in most of Europe.

Very European approach: the winner is chosen by law. Is Wero really a success? According to this article, in 2024 it processed over €7.5 billion.

Polish BLIK, which is not even mentioned in the article and which has joined the EuroPA Alliance, processed €83 billion in 2024, with a 30% y/y increase in H1 2025. I understand that BLIK is much older, but it invested significant effort and money in marketing and promotions while delivering a good user experience. BLIK is now trying to expand to Romania and Slovakia, yet Wero is getting all the hype on Hacker News. Maybe this is a case of East, South, and West Europe being treated differently. Is the only “European” solution one that comes from Western Europe?

Wero is very new, no wonder it’s not used a lot yet.

Wero is basically a rename (and territorial expansion) of the Dutch iDeal system, which processed €141 billion Euros in 2024.

not really

Wero acquired iDeal and integrated it (as well as Payconiq)

> Maybe this is a case of East, South, and West Europe being treated differently.

Just my pet peeve, but say Central Europe here, not East. Unless of course you mean Ukraine or Kazachstan.

Referring to old Iron Curtain is refueling the animosity of the ancient past.

If BLIK is better then it will prevail over Wero. There is no law mandating Wero.

Just looking at the banks that make up each - 16 for Wero and spread over Germany, Belgium, France and the Netherlands versus 6 Polish banks - it feels like the systemic risk is higher with the latter. But time will tell.

Last year BLIK also signed a letter of intent to join the EuroPA which has Italian, Spanish and Portuguese banks involved.

> Very European approach: the winner is chosen by law

Isn't that like the entire purpose of government and law - to help citizens come to a consensus?

No, in most of the cases government should not be the parent, but external arbiter.

The EU consists of 27 different countries, with substantial practical barriers between their internal markets (even if it's one single market in theory). Often, only EU intervention can overcome those barriers. Otherwise, you end up with national fragmentation.

Solve the problem and people will come. I don't see which problem Wero is solving. Cross country p2p money transfers? Not something people do often.

What people in Europe do very frequently is buying from online shops of another country, either because they do not find the product in a local shop or because of better prices.

What is needed is a card for online shopping that is valid in all Europe.

But it's not the card. Wero isn't doing anything new. It's just yet one more payment method to implement. Adyen, Stripe, Shopify and many other already support different local payment methods.

In the same boat. It seems there is API to export photos, so was thinking about some script that will export photos into separate folder and use hard links in order not to take more space.

I hope that they will not remove old UI for profiles and do not decide to show old profiles in new UI.

So XPath locators won't be available in Playwright and Selenium in Chrome? This could be huge for QA and RPA.

They are still keeping the XPath APIs so XPath locators will still work.