They aren't comparable. Showing an ID to a staff member isn't stripping my anonymity. I know the retailer won't have that on file forever, tied to me on subsequent visits. Also they stop ID'ing you after a certain age ;)

There isn't any way to achieve the same digitally.

Actually there is, various age verification systems exist where the party asking for it does not need to process their ID, like the Dutch iDIN (https://www.idin.nl/en/) that works not unlike a digital payment - the bank knows your identity and age, just like they know your account balance, and can sign off on that kind of thing just like a payment.

I hope this becomes more widespread / standardized; the precursor for iDIN is iDEAL which is for payments, that's being expanded and rebranded as Wero across Europe at the moment (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wero_(payment)), in part to reduce dependency on American payment processors.

The privacy issue has two facets, when I show ID to get in to a club or buy alcohol, the entire interaction is transient, the merchant isn't keeping that information and the issuer of the credential doesn't know that happened (i.e. the government).

Just allowing a service provider to receive a third party attestation that you "allowed" still allows the third party to track what you are doing even if the provider can't. That's still unacceptable from a privacy standpoint, I don't want the government, or agents thereof, knowing all the places I've had to show ID.

> Just allowing a service provider to receive a third party attestation that you "allowed" still allows the third party to track what you are doing even if the provider can't. That's still unacceptable from a privacy standpoint, I don't want the government, or agents thereof, knowing all the places I've had to show ID.

Isn't this solvable by allowing you to be the middle man? A service asks you to prove your age, you ask the government for a digital token that proves your age (and the only thing the government knows is that you have asked for a token) and you then deliver that to the service and they only know the government has certified that you are above a certain age.

The service gets a binary answer to their question. The government only knows you have asked for a token. Wouldn't a setup like that solve the issue you're talking about?

We have a similar system in Italy so the age verification process itself doesn't personally concerns me that much since the verification process is done by the government itself and they obviously already have my information.

I'm personally more interested in the intuition people have when it comes to squaring rejecting age verification online while also accepting it in a multitude of other situations (both online and offline)

My main issue is trust.

In real world scenarios, I can observe them while they handle my ID. And systematic abuse(e.g. some video that gets stored and shows it clearly) would be a violation taken serious

With online providers it's barely news worthy if they abuse the data they get.

I'm not against age verification (at least not strongly), but I'd want it in a 2 party 0 trust way. I.e. one party signs a jwt like thing only containing one bit, the other validates it without ever contacting the issuer about the specific token.

So one knows the identity, one knows the usage But they are never related

> So one knows the identity, one knows the usage But they are never related

I could be wrong but I think this is how the system we have in place in Italy works. And I agree that it's how it should work.

I know they're not compatible. I'm asking if you're also ok with those. There are also plenty of situations where you are asked to provide an ID, digitally, when above a certain age. For example booking hotels and other accommodations.

Personally I'm still trying to figure out where my position is when it comes to this whole debate because both camps have obvious pros and cons.

Which hotel asks for id online..? I've only ever had to provide it once on-site and checking in.

And when then, only when I'm in foreign countries.

Happens quite often with Airbnb for example. You often don't meet the host in person so there's no way to show them a physical ID.

He curates his own tags. I knew it. https://github.com/riverscuomo/mp3tagger

This is the coolest thing I've seen in months. Licence it as beerware, then I'm obliged to owe you one.

Nothing any government in my lifetime has done has arrested this feeling of decay, decline and desperation. It's like the occupational political class has a miserable vendetta and must afflict it upon the population. But I'm not actually miserable like you, I don't want to feel like you, we invented liberty in this country, now fuck off the lot of you thank you.

If they're really keen, they could just ask the hacker known as Soyjak.party to knock it offline again.

They'd better make sure there are no conspicuously placed yellow vans a either, least they explode.

No, but you can get the form to request the form. Then it must be stamped by an official in the [strikethrough]Ministry of Information[/strikethrough] Ofcom. Please allow 4-5 months for processing thanks to our partners delivering efficient intersection of Government and Industry, Capita.

"Disruption" comes to the world of junior academia. It was inevitable. Nothing's sacred.

Server 2003 was the last release supervised by Cutler, so would have my vote. It's even source-available... technically.

Cutler himself wrote code for Vista/Longhorn though. I don't know what you mean by "supervising" it. He also led the efforts for "PatchGuard" kernel protection mechanism that was introduced with Vista.

Source: I reviewed Cutler's lock-free data structure changes in Vista/Longhorn to find bugs in them, failed to find any.

AH, I was repeating something I read elsewhere, but I'll defer to an eyewitness. Must've been pretty cool working on Windows back then. Maybe it was more varied than my line of work. I must escape the drudgery B2B SaaS Webcrapps.

Sometimes I install Office 97 for kicks and marvel at how much I can do with it, yet it asks so little of my system. <2Mb RAM for Word 97!

Same here. I have a physical copy of Word 97, although TBH I use the classic licence key 11111-111111111 to "activate" it because it's easier.

It runs fine under WINE, and you can install the 3 service packs for it too. As released, when you try to save a .RTF file it actually doesn't. Not that that matters, but it's nice to have all the known the bug fixes.

It runs inside the L2 cache on any modern-ish CPU. Even on a Core 2 Duo, it's fast.

It is hilarious and sad to recall that when it came out -- I was working for PC Pro magazine around then -- it was seen as big and bloated and sluggish compared to Office 95. The Mac version, Office 98, was a port of the Windows version, and Mac owners hated it.

Now, it's tiny and sleek.

Same, I used to use Office 2003 because it was so quick and the UI was exactly what you needed.

On later versions they had animated cursor positions which felt slow, the spellcheck squiglies were lethargic and menus convoluted.

That said, I've given up and mostly use Google Docs/Sheets now because of the features and cross platform support.

https://github.com/SerenityOS/serenity is just that, except it's a whole OS that's Win2k styled. If it ever gets good hardware support it might have a chance.

Or maybe ReactOS - the actual windows clone - gets finished. Rumours put a first release date some time after Hurd.

> https://github.com/SerenityOS/serenity is just that, except it's a whole OS that's Win2k styled.

It's a Unix underneath, though. A strange modernised Unix written in C++ but it's definitely Unix-like.

It's a Unix-like with a Win2K GUI, which is a pretty attractive combination, TBH...