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You can find contrary advice for any given topic, all upvoted highly, if you look for it.

If we want people to feel safe talking about suicidal thoughts, we need to rework the involuntary commitment laws. As it is now, a person has every reason to be fearful about opening up. You can be imprisoned, humiliated, and medicated against your will, all without due process of law, just because you were careless with your words.

Murderers who are declared insane by a court aren't even involuntary committed for lengthy periods of time.

There is no country in the world where the ultra wealthy don't weild influence over the government.

Cigarettes are usually sold at an increased tax rate already.

We should empower people to live healthier lives, not subjugate them.

Ideally yes. But clearly all the examples I listed and many dozens more show that, at times, for the greater good we have to stop people doing certain things.

Would you argue we should teach empower people to be more responsible and let them all own surface to air missiles?

Surely we should empower people to be healthy and make smart choices and let companies put arsenic in food to save money. Let people build homes with asbestos insulation because it’s cheap and works and let people connect their house to the gas main because it will encourage people to be resourceful ?

I’m all for encouraging people to make good choices, but the consequences are very obvious in certain circumstances.


What do you think they are feeding the animals for? To make food.


Massively inefficient approach to "food security". Burn fossil fuels to grow animal fodder, feed and raise animals, wtf. Huge amounts of energy lost at each stage of that process.


Meat is hugely inefficient, but Americans demand it. If you told Americans in a crisis, "For food security reasons you're all limited to a quarter pounder per day", we'd have a national riot. They're used to three times that.

They'd insist that they'd die without enough protein, and vegetable protein sources don't count. Even limiting their meat to a half-pound per day would cause riots, even though that is more than enough protein.

So efficiency just isn't on the table here. We're going to over-support our meat industry.


That doesn't explain growing corn for ethanol.


You can't turn farming capacity on and off. If you need a given level of capacity, it has to already be there up & running, the entire system including all the people filling all the roles with all the experience, and all the machinery, all the distribution and economic relationships and countless support dependencies.

What you CAN do quicker is change what you use that capacity for.

And even what you do with the current product right this moment even before you have time to change what you will harvest next year. Corn that that is normally only fed to animals is still absolutely a ready resource for people if they need it. Most of our food is fully artificially constructed out of base ingredients these days. Every box and bag and can on the shelves that needs a carbohydrate barely cares at all where it comes from or what it originally tastes like raw.


That can explain a little. Not the 40% of all corn grown that is used for ethanol.

Which would be better for the nation's security? Having all this ethanol, or having 31x the energy provided by that ethanol via solar production? We couldn't actually use that much solar power right now, but that's part of the opportunity cost: we aren't gearing up to make use of it because we're generating all of this ethanol that we don't need instead! The capacity maintenance argument works both ways: pay to maintain the capacity to grow vastly more corn than we'll ever need, or pay to maintain the capacity to generate tons more energy that we're far more likely to need.

(Also, taking land that has been largely destroyed by industrial corn farming and changing it into land that's growing some more valuable food crop isn't just a matter of changing your mind about what to grow the next year.)


But what is this system trying to secure against?

America already grows enough animal fodder without counting corn for ethanol. If some calamity strikes corn production for animal fodder, it will equally affect corn production for ethanol. Because it's the same crop.

And also why can't you scale farm production up and down? It isn't like manufacturing and factories. Preserve farmland and produce enough for the country's consumption needs. That'll keep farm labor and machinery sufficiently busy. It also prevents the waste of fertile soil growing food that's never eaten.


Growing corn for ethanol is mostly political. Iowa grows a lot of corn, and as the first state in the political primary process, it gets way more attention than it deserves.

So the corn farmers are sacrosanct. We can make various mumblings about energy independence and surplus food capacity, but we all know that the real reason it remains is that anybody who proposes doing otherwise would get massacred. (Not just individually. Their entire party would take the blame.)


You made a "mumbling" about surplus food capacity yourself https://hackernews.hn/item?id=47869026 :-D

But you're right. It's entirely political. It's not clear why it needs to be. Can farmers really swing that many elections?

Why not pay them to fallow land instead? I remember Catch-22 had a passage describing it, but I have no idea if that's true IRL. It preserves farming skills, labor, and farmland, and gives farmers free money. Political slam-dunk and a boon for food security.


We absolutely did and do pay farmers not to farm. Today we call it the "Bridge Assistance Program", to avoid admitting what it really is.

https://www.usda.gov/about-usda/news/press-releases/2025/12/...

I think that's why we don't just do more of that: it's kind of embarrassing. Farmers don't want to hear just how little they actually matter.

That still doesn't explain why we're so busily kowtowing to farmers. I suspect a fair bit of it is inertia: it's the accepted wisdom that insulting farmers is bad (and telling them that they don't actually need their subsidies is an insult). There may well be a day when some political candidate goes to Iowa and says, "Eff you and your stupid caucus. I'm going to spend my time in New Hampshire, and tell them how I'm going to cancel corn subsidies and use the savings for maple syrup subsidies".


> Meat is hugely inefficient

wondering if there is a strong evidence for this?.. What is more efficient?


Food availability is orders of magnitude higher than needed to feed all humans. Efficiency isn't an issue. Any hunger is an economic and logistical problem not a production problem.


Efficiency is a long term issue, especially water efficiency.


Given that there are significantly cheaper, healthier and more efficient alternatives to eating animals isn't it more accurate to say that they're feeding the animals to make money?


> Given that there are significantly cheaper, healthier and more efficient alternatives to eating animals

this statement is very disputable. What alternatives are available in your opinion?


Producing and eating less animals.

I don’t mean to sound glib but that’s all there is to it.

The juice from animal husbandry just isn’t worth the squeeze if you look at the cascading consequences of environmental and health consequences of a meat heavy diet.

I eat meat. A lot of meat. Far too much, but I acknowledge that it isn’t good and that I need to change.


> health consequences of a meat heavy diet.

my research and lots of experiments on myself say that there are positive consequences, and there is no much negative consequences if focus on lean unprocessed meat.

As for "cascading consequences of environmental", I also think there is a way to grow meat with reduced consequences.


This is very true, but unfortuantely most people don't have portion control and they don't eat the right lean unprocessed meat.

I'm skeptical that we can grow meat with significantly reduced environmental consequences. Like unless you're talking about some technologically advanced and not yet ready for mass production lab grown meat kind of thing it will always be more ecologically friendly and cheaper to just grow food that humans eat instead of growing food for animals to eat which are then eaten by animals. That thermodynamic reality just isn't going to change.


Why would you quit your job before determining if you can opt out? What would be the benefit?


Security through enshittification. Nice.


> defying ordinary probability

Improbable events do not defy probability.


It's hard to believe that this administration would suddenly care about brain drain, after decimating all academic grants and generally exhibiting anti-intellectual behavior.


True. It seems more likely they're using this to drum up fear of tHe eNEmY to manufacture consent for more conflict.


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